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re: The biggest difference in Alabama 2011-2020 and Alabama 2021-2022 is not being able to
Posted on 6/2/23 at 8:20 pm to Pastor Mike
Posted on 6/2/23 at 8:20 pm to Pastor Mike
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Alabama has lost games and bounced back. 2011-2020 is a much larger span than 2021-2022. If you are going to be fair in your comparison, you have to wait a bit longer to draw your conclusions. If next year we are back in the top 4 and the year after that we win a national title - your comparison would be incorrect. But if we lose two and three games a season over the next couple of years, you have a point
I'm not sure you understand the point. You already have more close wins/losses to unranked teams in the past two years than you had in the ten before that. How will more time end up with the same or better?
Again, the point isn't to say you can't rise to where you were, but pointing out that even though some say "we only lost on the last play of the game" and "we were in the title game two years ago" there is a difference in how you were winning most of your games and what you were doing against average to below average teams.
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Posted on 6/3/23 at 7:19 am to tide06
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UGA can be ultra elite without it having anything to do with Bama being ultra elite or slightly down.
So, are you saying that Georgia is better than the title winning teams Alabama had in the past? because if Alabama is not "slightly down" then Georgia would have to be better than your teams back when Alabama was winning titles seemingly every year.
I mean, people (I don't think) are completely reading and understanding what the OP is saying. If I am understanding correctly, he is saying that it is unusual for Alabama to have struggled as much as they did this past year.
I don't remember the last time Alabama struggled in 5 games. Maybe some of you die hard UA fans can point to a season?
He isn't saying it can't be corrected. Just saying it is unusual. And it is.
Instead of down voting and running, tell the OP how he is wrong. Show us a year that Alabama was not as dominant. I hate troll threads as much as all of you, but this just doesn't have the feel of a troll thread.
Posted on 6/3/23 at 7:34 am to TheTideMustRoll
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Our defense got better when Kirby left.
That depends on what you mean by better.
In 2014, Kirby's defense gave up 1.8 TD's a game.
In 2015 (Kirby's last season at Alabama) the defense gave up 1.6 TDs a game. In 2016, (Pruits's first year) Alabama defense gave up 3TDs a game. Alabama's defense gave up only 1.1 TD's a game in 2017, though, so it definitely improved in his second season.
That said, Pruitt's defense also gave up 15 fewer yards a game in 2016. (approx.) So, it could be argued that it got better, but it also could be argued it got worse. It depends on if you want to go by TD's or yards per game.
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Posted on 6/3/23 at 7:54 am to koreandawg
I don’t think Alabama has been as good of a team at the line of scrimmage the last few years, and when you aren’t good along the line, it hurts everything else. I think they’ve had some recruiting misses and guys who haven’t panned out. Hopefully they get back to being dominant up front, and that should help with everything else.
Posted on 6/3/23 at 8:13 am to DawgsLife
We've definitely struggled in comparison to years past; that's why we recently had a coordinator shake-up as well as a greater focus on recruiting the types we used to. Yes, we scored a ton of points with the high-flying offenses, but at the cost of defense.
It appears we're going back to a more balance, or run-heavy, offense (especially considering our RB situation is really good this year). I don't know if that type of change will pan out as quickly as this coming season, but I am hoping it works.
It appears we're going back to a more balance, or run-heavy, offense (especially considering our RB situation is really good this year). I don't know if that type of change will pan out as quickly as this coming season, but I am hoping it works.
Posted on 6/3/23 at 8:22 am to koreandawg
You gotta be a Georgia/LSU FAN!!
Posted on 6/3/23 at 8:45 am to skrayper
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We've definitely struggled in comparison to years past;
I agree. And that is all the OP is saying. But some Alabama fans are on here claiming that it is not true.
quote:This is what I am thinking, too. (You should probably be concerned.
Yes, we scored a ton of points with the high-flying offenses, but at the cost of defense.
) quote:That is what I have heard, too. I think it is a great move, too. Justice Haynes is a great way to go, too. Wish we could have gotten him. He'll be great with Alabama. There is nothing inherently wrong with throwing the ball around, but it does stress the defense a bit. If anybody can go to that kind of offense from a pass heavy offense it is Alabama.
It appears we're going back to a more balance, or run-heavy, offense (especially considering our RB situation is really good this year). I don't know if that type of change will pan out as quickly as this coming season, but I am hoping it works.
Thanks for talking sensibly and not just giving a knee jerk reaction.
Posted on 6/3/23 at 8:47 am to koreandawg
there is some pithy comment about rivals doing off-season analysis of alabama football but i don't have the energy.
Posted on 6/3/23 at 9:37 am to koreandawg
Man you really like researching Bama I guess. How is this in comparison to any other program because everything you typed is irrelevant with no context
This post was edited on 6/3/23 at 9:39 am
Posted on 6/3/23 at 11:03 am to StopRobot
The difference is there are more
A) Elite rosters + B) Good rosters that are capable of great QB play, now rather than 10 years ago.
Alabama’s roster is no less talented than it was 5/10/or 15 years ago. But now there are five or six 2010 Auburns, 2013 FSU’s, or 2018 Clemson’s per year whereas there were 1-2 per year back then. And that’s not just a problem for AL it’s a challenge for any NC contender.
A) Elite rosters + B) Good rosters that are capable of great QB play, now rather than 10 years ago.
Alabama’s roster is no less talented than it was 5/10/or 15 years ago. But now there are five or six 2010 Auburns, 2013 FSU’s, or 2018 Clemson’s per year whereas there were 1-2 per year back then. And that’s not just a problem for AL it’s a challenge for any NC contender.
This post was edited on 6/3/23 at 11:13 am
Posted on 6/3/23 at 11:34 am to Pulpwood Patterson
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Alabama’s roster is no less talented than it was 5/10/or 15 years ago. But now there are five or six 2010 Auburns, 2013 FSU’s, or 2018 Clemson’s per year whereas there were 1-2 per year back then. And that’s not just a problem for AL it’s a challenge for any NC contender.
Does TCU and Michigan really fit that blue chip criteria?
Posted on 6/3/23 at 11:46 am to Tony Rocky Horror
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The decline (although small) is real. They know it.
10-2 this year and they know Saban is done
Posted on 6/3/23 at 12:07 pm to bamameister
TCU, no. Michigan is a solid Team and I think they can win it next year if JJM plays like a first round QB. OSU 2022 had a better roster than 2016 or 2018 Clemson…but they didn’t get quite the QB play they needed in the playoffs although stroud played really well. Those Clemson teams prob had better DL talent.
2022 Tennessee feels a lot like 2014/2015 Ole Miss. Capable but not consistent.
2022 Tennessee feels a lot like 2014/2015 Ole Miss. Capable but not consistent.
Posted on 6/3/23 at 12:16 pm to bamameister
Ohio st fans would sure say that Michigan DOES fit that criteria.
Posted on 6/3/23 at 12:18 pm to Pulpwood Patterson
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TCU, no. Michigan is a solid Team and I think they can win it next year if JJM plays like a first round QB.
Neither had elite talent. And Michigan lost to a team that gets beaten by 58 by Georgia. Cincy is a G-5 team that certainly never got close to elite talent.
Face it, you have BAMA, Ohio State, Clemson, and Georgia, that fit the elite talent in the last 5 recruiting cycles. Others like TAMU, Miami, USC, and the shorthorns might have moments in the top 5 but don't sustain at this point.
College football is what it is. Dismissing teams with elite talent is just lazy and stupid.
Posted on 6/3/23 at 1:05 pm to bamameister
I agree with you that elite talent is very limited. My point is that good talent and great QB play can still win you a NC.
2010 Auburn, 2013 FSU, 2016 Clemson, 2018 Clemson, 2019 LSU.
Michigan is a good team and that’s not cancelled by a bad day. But they can’t win the NC in 2023 without elite QB play whereas UGA and AL can.
No doubt it’s best to have an elite roster, but world class QB goes a long way.
2010 Auburn, 2013 FSU, 2016 Clemson, 2018 Clemson, 2019 LSU.
Michigan is a good team and that’s not cancelled by a bad day. But they can’t win the NC in 2023 without elite QB play whereas UGA and AL can.
No doubt it’s best to have an elite roster, but world class QB goes a long way.
Posted on 6/3/23 at 7:02 pm to koreandawg
Georgia fans used to never take shots at Bama but let a little bit of success happen and peoples true colors come out SMH. The Dawgs were jealous this whole time of Bama and Sabans success
Posted on 6/3/23 at 7:05 pm to DawgsLife
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I hate troll threads as much as all of you, but this just doesn't have the feel of a troll thread.
If it wasn't a troll thread it wouldn't have this many downvotes because decent conversations are supremely needed and wanted on this site from every fanbase. Like I said Georgia fans used to be sensible and decent fans on here but the success came and so did all the shite slinging SMH
Posted on 6/3/23 at 8:19 pm to koreandawg
Thank you for your continued, and diligent, interest in Alabama athletics.
Posted on 6/3/23 at 8:41 pm to bamameister
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Does TCU and Michigan really fit that blue chip criteria?
Georgia does. Ohio State does. Michigan does. LSU is getting there quickly. USC is getting there quickly.
TCU, this past season got to the big game by grit and determination along with other teams taking them lightly. They played with a chip on their shoulder. Seems odd that people like to write TCU based upon one game when they played quite well against a lot of other teams. They had a let down game. Alabama had let down games and so did Georgia. It happens. Theirs just came at an inopportune time.....much like ND's did against Alabama in 2012. Or are we to assume that Alabama won that title because college football was just very bad and not because Alabama was good?
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