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re: Thanks to SEC and Heisman - A&M receives record 37,000 applications
Posted on 1/29/13 at 11:50 pm to TbirdSpur2010
Posted on 1/29/13 at 11:50 pm to TbirdSpur2010
TBird, I agree with your post in its entirety.
If the military doesn't work our for you, I think that you'd make a great diplomat.
If the military doesn't work our for you, I think that you'd make a great diplomat.
Posted on 1/29/13 at 11:57 pm to ImperialPalace
Thanks, IP--appreciate it
Posted on 1/30/13 at 1:36 am to Dr RC
How many Aggies did it take to call me wrong? Classic.
Posted on 1/30/13 at 2:00 am to John Maplethorpe
Print dem mutha fuggin shirts.
Posted on 1/30/13 at 2:24 am to John Maplethorpe
People are incredibly stupid if they apply to a school just because they are good athletically.
Posted on 1/30/13 at 4:48 am to aggressor
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Arkie is in a very different situation from A&M. Texas has grown from under 17 million to over 27 million people since 1990. Texas has a net gain of about 500k people per year currently, it's just crazy. There are 3 Tier 1 Schools in the State and one of them is Rice which is a tiny private school.. Thus the pressure is on A&M and Texas. Texas was 50k in 1990 and is 50k now. A&M has grown from 43k to 51k. Thus both schools have gotten far more selective. A&M plans to grow to 75k by 2025 or so, though a lot of that will be Grad School and other areas. Still this year is 37k applicants for 8k slots. The issue A&M and Texas has is the "Top 10% rule" that guarantees admission to any grad in the Top 10% to any public University (realistically A&M and Texas). All HS's aren't created equal so it is actually good news for SEC schools. More and more smart Texas kids from top HS's that are outside the Top 10% but are great students are leaving the State because it is such a step down to many of the other Texas publics and not everyone wants to go private (SMU, TCU, or Baylor).
Most informative post and appreciated.
Posted on 1/30/13 at 7:35 am to tiggerthetooth
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How many Aggies did it take to call me wrong? Classic.
Your ignorance is what was classic, tbh
Posted on 1/30/13 at 7:46 am to General13
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) All HS's aren't created equal so it is actually good news for SEC schools. More and more smart Texas kids from top HS's that are outside the Top 10% but are great students are leaving the State because it is such a step down to many of the other Texas publics and not everyone wants to go private (SMU, TCU, or Baylor).
This! My son and a number of his class mates from Dallas got full scholarships to LSU. The city funnels all the gifted and talented students into one school. It is very difficult to make the top ten percent. These kids had 1400's on their SATs and could not get in to UT. They were disappointed at first but not now. They all graduated and have great jobs. If you asked them today, they all would say it was the best thing that happened. I've heard them say many times that going to school in Louisiana is like living in Europe. Geaux Tigers!
Posted on 1/30/13 at 8:13 am to John Maplethorpe
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37,000 applications for 8,000 freshman spots.
and 5 hot girls
Posted on 1/30/13 at 8:45 am to GarlandTiger
That is the issue. There are some really elite public HS's in Texas. Some have more than 10% of the graduating class that are National Merit Finalists. The problem is most high schools in Texas don't have anyone at that level or maybe one or two kids at that level yet the Top 10% rule requires them to all be admitted.
In the mid '90s when the law came into being due to the Hopwood case eliminating race based admissions (instead of accepting X number of minorities they could just accept the Top 10% of EVERY school) it wasn't an issue really. The problem is now Texas has grown significantly, the number of HS grads is growing at about 2% a year, so the finite number of slots at A&M and Texas are going more and more to the Top 10% regardless of other qualifications. It's not at a true crisis yet but it's getting close and with such disparity between the HS's in Texas it's a real issue. For instance a lot of my buddies from A&M worry about whether our kids will be able to get in even though we are multi generational legacies (which doesn't factor in admission by law). The option for a lot of kids is to go JUCO for a year or two and then transfer in which is much easier than being admitted as a Freshman.
It is becoming more and more common for SEC schools to offer scholarships or in state tuition to Texas kids from those top Texas HS's (primarily located in the suburbs of the big cities). It certainly makes sense, a lot of these kids come from families with 2 parents with college degrees, have excellent grades, high SAT scores, and even some college credit and yet they fall outside the Top 10% of their HS, some outside the Top 25%. A lot of it is driven by the tech boom in Texas where so many people have moved into the state that are highly educated and thus they stress education to their kids.
It's a real problem for Texas as a State long term though, it's foolish not to provide quality opportunities for so many bright kids. They are trying to bring Tech and Houston up to Tier 1 Status but realistically it is going to take a long time if ever for that to happen. The reason A&M and Texas are who they are is because of the Permanent University Fund (PUF) which is essentially a bunch of land that was set aside way back when in West Texas that was later found to be loaded with oil and other valuable minerals and is worth over $20 Billion now and growing. That money is divided 2/3rds for Texas and 1/3rd for A&M and thus is the source of our massive endowments. There is just no way politically that Texas or A&M is ever going to share that money with Tech, UH, or whomever though so the money to make those schools Tier 1 just isn't there otherwise. Personally I think they should focus the attention on schools within the Texas and A&M Systems that have a chance for access to the PUF (UTSA, UT Arlington, UTEP, Texas A&M Kingsville, Texas A&M Commerce, West Texas A&M, etc.) That would be more politically feasible. Either that or force schools like Texas State and North Texas to become a part of those systems. Eventually you could build something like the University of California System with 10 schools that are all basically Tier 1 and Berkeley and UCLA are the crown jewels.
In the mid '90s when the law came into being due to the Hopwood case eliminating race based admissions (instead of accepting X number of minorities they could just accept the Top 10% of EVERY school) it wasn't an issue really. The problem is now Texas has grown significantly, the number of HS grads is growing at about 2% a year, so the finite number of slots at A&M and Texas are going more and more to the Top 10% regardless of other qualifications. It's not at a true crisis yet but it's getting close and with such disparity between the HS's in Texas it's a real issue. For instance a lot of my buddies from A&M worry about whether our kids will be able to get in even though we are multi generational legacies (which doesn't factor in admission by law). The option for a lot of kids is to go JUCO for a year or two and then transfer in which is much easier than being admitted as a Freshman.
It is becoming more and more common for SEC schools to offer scholarships or in state tuition to Texas kids from those top Texas HS's (primarily located in the suburbs of the big cities). It certainly makes sense, a lot of these kids come from families with 2 parents with college degrees, have excellent grades, high SAT scores, and even some college credit and yet they fall outside the Top 10% of their HS, some outside the Top 25%. A lot of it is driven by the tech boom in Texas where so many people have moved into the state that are highly educated and thus they stress education to their kids.
It's a real problem for Texas as a State long term though, it's foolish not to provide quality opportunities for so many bright kids. They are trying to bring Tech and Houston up to Tier 1 Status but realistically it is going to take a long time if ever for that to happen. The reason A&M and Texas are who they are is because of the Permanent University Fund (PUF) which is essentially a bunch of land that was set aside way back when in West Texas that was later found to be loaded with oil and other valuable minerals and is worth over $20 Billion now and growing. That money is divided 2/3rds for Texas and 1/3rd for A&M and thus is the source of our massive endowments. There is just no way politically that Texas or A&M is ever going to share that money with Tech, UH, or whomever though so the money to make those schools Tier 1 just isn't there otherwise. Personally I think they should focus the attention on schools within the Texas and A&M Systems that have a chance for access to the PUF (UTSA, UT Arlington, UTEP, Texas A&M Kingsville, Texas A&M Commerce, West Texas A&M, etc.) That would be more politically feasible. Either that or force schools like Texas State and North Texas to become a part of those systems. Eventually you could build something like the University of California System with 10 schools that are all basically Tier 1 and Berkeley and UCLA are the crown jewels.
Posted on 1/30/13 at 8:45 am to Choctaw
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37,000 applications for 8,000 freshman spots.
and 5 hot girls
Actually A&M has more women than men now.
Posted on 1/30/13 at 9:40 am to Choctaw
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and 5 hot girls
It's true that we tend to get a lot of "smart" girls, as opposed to "hot" girls. That's the price we pay for the demand and admission standards. While our proportions of hot:smart may not be nearly as high as other SEC or Texas universities, we have a frick LOAD of students.
So, say LSU has 25,000 students. Of the 25k, 50% are women. Of the women, assume 20% (or 10% of the overall student body) are hot. So, 2500 hot chicks at LSU.
A&M has 50,000. We'll assume 50% women, but I know it's more. Only 10% (5% of total student body) are hot. 2500 hot girls.
What we lose in percentage, we gain in numbers.
Still, there are 25,000 DUDES chasing that arse. 10:1 sucks arse. That's where we need to improve. We can start by getting some fricking cheerleaders.
Posted on 1/30/13 at 10:05 am to aggressor
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Either that or force schools like Texas State and North Texas to become a part of those systems. Eventually you could build something like the University of California System with 10 schools that are all basically Tier 1 and Berkeley and UCLA are the crown jewels.
This is one area where California has Texas beat.
California has only two four-year university systems, the University of California System and the California State University System. Every public university in the state is aligned under one of them.
Texas, meanwhile, has SIX systems: the University of Texas System, the Texas A&M University System, the Texas Tech University System, the University of Houston System, the University of North Texas System, and the Texas State University System (which includes a couple of what are really community colleges). PLUS we have four public universities not aligned with anyone: Midwestern State, Stephen F. Austin State, Texas Woman's, and Texas Southern.
Posted on 1/30/13 at 10:17 am to theGarnetWay
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Yeah I've read a couple times where athletic success leads to a boost in applications.
I would agree. 20% of my senior class in Houston wants to go to Bama. And almost all of these are just bandwagoners
Posted on 1/30/13 at 10:18 am to John Maplethorpe
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37,000 applications for 8,000 freshman spots.
Be sure and keep at least 200 spots open for male cheerleaders
Posted on 1/30/13 at 10:38 am to Quidam65
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Either that or force schools like Texas State and North Texas to become a part of those systems. Eventually you could build something like the University of California System with 10 schools that are all basically Tier 1 and Berkeley and UCLA are the crown jewels.
This is one area where California has Texas beat.
California has only two four-year university systems, the University of California System and the California State University System. Every public university in the state is aligned under one of them.
Texas, meanwhile, has SIX systems: the University of Texas System, the Texas A&M University System, the Texas Tech University System, the University of Houston System, the University of North Texas System, and the Texas State University System (which includes a couple of what are really community colleges). PLUS we have four public universities not aligned with anyone: Midwestern State, Stephen F. Austin State, Texas Woman's, and Texas Southern.
Texas is not good at organization of school systems that is for sure. We also have 1265 separate school districts. I mean really? Do we really need 1265 completely separate Superintendents, District offices, etc? It's an incredible misallocation of resources. Essentially every little town or area has its own and the politics are too thick to change it. So instead of paying teachers more and for other purposes we maintain a massive bureaucracy because no one wants to give up control of their area. You also create a market for top Superintendents to make several times more than the average teacher and the school districts have to pay it to keep those administrators and thus keep up their rankings.
The lack of a master plan for the educational system in Texas is mind boggling. Instead of addressing core issues like that they are spending all their time and money on standardized testing because there is some government money there to go grab. It's just tax dollars though, right so who cares?
Posted on 1/30/13 at 11:38 am to TbirdSpur2010
Top 10% rule is shitty. I know people who didn't get it and had way higher test scores than people who got in just because they took all on-level courses in high school and had high GPA's because of that.
Posted on 1/30/13 at 11:42 am to Captain Insano
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Top 10% rule is shitty. I know people who didn't get it and had way higher test scores than people who got in just because they took all on-level courses in high school and had high GPA's because of that.
I don't think you actually meant to reply to me
tbh, I don't give a shite about Top 10%. I was homeschooled so I had a whole 'nother set of criteria to deal with trying to get in.
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