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re: Texas AM endowment supremacy challenged

Posted on 2/7/22 at 9:59 am to
Posted by morriscat2
tennessee
Member since Jun 2012
2072 posts
Posted on 2/7/22 at 9:59 am to
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They like their program like they like their men. Well-endowed.


This is a brilliant post. My compliments sir.
Posted by Jster15
Member since Aug 2019
2529 posts
Posted on 2/7/22 at 12:54 pm to
You’re a really ignorant poster Burnt Orange Man. You don’t have a clue about the PUF, and university funding.
Posted by Jster15
Member since Aug 2019
2529 posts
Posted on 2/7/22 at 1:01 pm to
How does 9-1 in 2019 rate as 8-4 annually? Is that your room temperature IQ at work? Of course any LSU fan commenting on won-loss records the last two years is demonstrated retardation. LSU lost its Ohio State QB and could only win 11 games in two seasons with the number 3,4 and 5th ranked recruiting classes.??
Posted by BurntOrangeMan
Dallas TX
Member since May 2021
5628 posts
Posted on 2/7/22 at 1:59 pm to



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you’re too stupid to be an actual Texas grad. Most of the Aggies that contributed to the recent nine year, $4,200,000,000 “Higher Education” campaign, are well versed about the PUF. For the uneducated, that fund raiser came from the alumni. Over 903,000 gifts and donations Not the PUF. However,,the PUF greatly benefits the entire state. Dozens of universities, medical systems, law schools, vet schools, and more. Think about that, the Aggies raised more money on a fund raiser than the total endowment funds of any school in the SEC except Vanderbilt. Compare that to the embarrassing level of support the “flagship” university of Louisiana gets from its alumni and fan base. Educating people, benefiting society the Aggies do well at. Being a farm team of the NFL, not so well. Those football players thinking of life after football will do much better with an opportunity at Texas A&M.



4th generation Jethro, but I have no doubts you are a card carrying Aggie.

Get back to me on the % of that 9 year fund raiser that has transferred vs pledged.

Spoiler: Grab the 2013-current annual financial reports & peruse the "gifts", "investment income" et al under "revenue". Can't wait for you to tell us all about your hat to cattle ratios.

Good luck clown.
Posted by BurntOrangeMan
Dallas TX
Member since May 2021
5628 posts
Posted on 2/7/22 at 2:14 pm to
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FWIW both schools really don't rely on the PUF for funding as much as they used to, it's really just for building and infrastructure. Both schools have grown enormously rich outside of the PUF but the PUF is a huge security blanket for both. They haven't taken distributions from the principal in nearly a century.


Correct, AUF is less than 10% of each schools annual funding. They haven't touched the PUF because they can't... hence why real endowment reporting doesn't/shouldn't include the PUF.

With all of your PUF lessons I haven't seen an explanation for which UT gets 2/3's & A&M 1/3. Share with the audience por favor.
Posted by Krampus
Member since Nov 2018
5515 posts
Posted on 2/7/22 at 3:02 pm to
Because the UT system has traditionally had about double the system-wide enrollment as the A&M system. Therefore, UT got double the share. 2/3 to A&M's 1/3. That way the PUF dollars allocated per student were roughly equal across the board between the two systems.

Enrollment in the A&M system has grown more rapidly than the UT system over the last 10-15 years, so I would expect it's about time to rebalance accordingly. Or, more likely, cut in another system like UH or Tech to take some ebrollment pressure off UT and A&M, and rebalance the distributions accordingly across three systems.

Sorry, not a fun trash-talk mudslinging answer, but it's the truth.
Posted by Thecoz
Member since Dec 2018
3414 posts
Posted on 2/7/22 at 3:30 pm to
Fwiw …state of Louisiana gave out over 321 million dollars this year to nearly 59000 students across our state regardless of the university selected…

We do this every year and the number has increased ever since we started…(for good or bad)… it would take a large number to produce that on the average corporate bond or investment dividend…


Posted by BurntOrangeMan
Dallas TX
Member since May 2021
5628 posts
Posted on 2/7/22 at 4:10 pm to
quote:

Because the UT system has traditionally had about double the system-wide enrollment as the A&M system. Therefore, UT got double the share. 2/3 to A&M's 1/3. That way the PUF dollars allocated per student were roughly equal across the board between the two systems.

Enrollment in the A&M system has grown more rapidly than the UT system over the last 10-15 years, so I would expect it's about time to rebalance accordingly. Or, more likely, cut in another system like UH or Tech to take some ebrollment pressure off UT and A&M, and rebalance the distributions accordingly across three systems.

Sorry, not a fun trash-talk mudslinging answer, but it's the truth.


Not even close, neither statement is true.

Next?
Posted by ColoradoAg
Colorado
Member since Sep 2011
24695 posts
Posted on 2/7/22 at 4:14 pm to
Both A&M and Texas have money to burn. I saw a list of athletic contributions and A&M was the leader by a large margin (cannot post the picture because of the URL code on this site). Georgia and Texas were two and three but tens of millions behind.

University Endowment is just a contest of who has the most money. What matters more than that is how it is actually spent.
Posted by dstone12
Texan
Member since Jan 2007
35589 posts
Posted on 2/7/22 at 4:46 pm to
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How does 9-1 in 2019 rate as 8-4 annually? Is that your room temperature IQ at work? Of course any LSU fan commenting on won-loss records the last two years is demonstrated retardation. LSU lost its Ohio State QB and could only win 11 games in two seasons with the number 3,4 and 5th ranked recruiting classes.??
what exactly are you trying to say here?
Posted by ColoradoAg
Colorado
Member since Sep 2011
24695 posts
Posted on 2/7/22 at 4:53 pm to
The QB is what matters ...
Posted by Pulpwood Patterson
Member since Dec 2017
1799 posts
Posted on 2/7/22 at 5:30 pm to
Endowments are only necessary for universities that don’t have a tax hammer written into their state constitution. UGA draws down about 240million per year on Hope Scholarship, and can pull down a total of roughly 3/4 of a billion annually without needing a vote in the legislature.
Posted by aggressor
Austin, TX
Member since Sep 2011
8796 posts
Posted on 2/7/22 at 7:53 pm to
The amount of allowable institutions in the Texas system comprise about 250k students while the amount of allowable institutions within the A&M System (most of the A&M System doesn't qualify for PUF) is about 100k.

For Texas:

UT Austin
UT Arlington
UT Dallas
UTSA
UTEP
UT Tyler
UT Permian Basin
UT Rio Grande Valley
Also multiple major Medical Branches including MD Anderson and Southwestern Medical

For A&M:
A&M College Station
Prairie View A&M
Tarleton State
A&M Galveston (technically part of CS)
Also a few state agencies and the relatively small A&M Med Center

Per student it's almost exactly the same. Happy to help.
Posted by JayAg
Member since Jun 2021
14487 posts
Posted on 2/7/22 at 7:57 pm to
Is the low amount of endowments in the SEC a immediate concern or not really, and it depends school to school?
Posted by Thecoz
Member since Dec 2018
3414 posts
Posted on 2/7/22 at 8:20 pm to
Wow … I know people that have graduated from most on that list including medical… I never put it together that ut had that many schools under their umbrella… a lot of those were commuters schools historically that have been transformed to full time recently…
Still think tech and others deserve some of the royalties but good to see it being spread throughout the state…idk maybe they get it from other state places?
Posted by Krampus
Member since Nov 2018
5515 posts
Posted on 2/8/22 at 1:49 am to
Interesting. I didn't realize some campuses didn't qualify. I guess the 2/3 - 1/3 split is still pretty even after all.

I still think a third university system needs to be cut in though. Too many qualified kids graduating from TX high schools for A&M and UT to handle by themselves going forward. There needs to be a third flagship campus somewhere in the state in the near future.
Posted by BurntOrangeMan
Dallas TX
Member since May 2021
5628 posts
Posted on 2/8/22 at 1:58 am to
So the basis for the AUF split is based on enrollment figures in your opinion?

Brilliant.

I would think that someone who professes to be so knowledgeable of all things PUF would realize the AUF split was established by legislature in 1937.

The answer to my question is simple.. the Texas Constitution of 1876 established the Agricultural & Mechanical College of Texas as a departmental branch of the University of Texas. Constitutionally born on 3rd base and you think you hit a fricking triple.

The UT Board of Regents is the controlling authority for the PUF & AUF and most importantly the development of the University Lands in the research and discovery of oil properties.

I'll patiently wait to hear a single contribution made by TAMC/TAMU as it relates to the PUF or University Land developments or any other claim of accomplishment on the matter other than being the benefit of designation as a branch of the University of Texas as defined by the Constitution of 1876.

Gfy with the "We rich!" BS, your real endowment is below that of Oklahoma & Arkansas.
Posted by VBFlorida
Florida
Member since Nov 2020
1338 posts
Posted on 2/8/22 at 5:32 am to
That is impressive! Smart people doing things? I believe U of Texas is also rated a lot higher than A&M.
Posted by Obtuse1
Westside Bodymore Yo
Member since Sep 2016
28587 posts
Posted on 2/8/22 at 6:14 am to
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UCF is the largest school in the country and their endowment is $155million.


That is insane considering Jerry Richardson gave our alma mater a $150 million donation to the endowment last year which brings him alone to over $260 million lifetime. Wofford is a small liberal arts college with less than 1800 students.

BTW I don't think UCF has the highest enrollment I am pretty sure there are a couple that are slightly higher, maybe even A&M.
Posted by Jster15
Member since Aug 2019
2529 posts
Posted on 2/8/22 at 6:48 am to
You’re too stupid to do math.
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