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Posted on 7/29/10 at 11:34 am to ohiovol
Posted on 7/29/10 at 11:34 am to ohiovol
Unfortunately when it comes to the conference, it's almost like bama has it's own tier though. I hate them and don't like complimenting them, but they are like 1a. I think the 1b or tier 2 (however you want to look at it) is made up of UGA, UT, and LSU with Florida right behind those 3. Then the rest just wherever.
Edit: I'm talking about overall programs since the 1800s. All-time. That's why your program isn't higher florida fans.
Edit: I'm talking about overall programs since the 1800s. All-time. That's why your program isn't higher florida fans.
This post was edited on 7/29/10 at 11:36 am
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Posted on 7/29/10 at 11:35 am to WG_Dawg
It's no doubt that Alabama is way in front historically. Frick Bama.
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Posted on 7/29/10 at 11:36 am to ohiovol
I think I'm the only Georgia fan I know that hates bama with a passion and doesn't mind auburn. I pull for auburn actually. Bama is a different story.
Posted on 7/29/10 at 11:37 am to ohiovol
Posted on 7/29/10 at 12:02 pm to TennVOLS423
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I have been having heated debates with my Brother-in-Law about Tennessee as a program. He is a Michigan fan, he argued Tennessee was not a good program and we will never bounce back.
That's interesting out of a Michigan guy - first off UT is a historically significant program... if he doesn't think that he's just uninformed... while clearly not top five UT should be in anyone's top 10-15 programs of all time
Michigan has like one national championship in the last 30 years right? They have to recruit out of state and they compete against a rival (Ohio State not Florida, Georgia etc) from a more talent rich state
Today Michigan mostly = Tennessee... both will need excellent coaches to recruit and compete against programs with more in state advantages
Posted on 7/29/10 at 12:04 pm to molsusports
Tennessee has instate talent, recruiting services aren't the end all be all.
There are 6 All SEC players that are from Tennessee, and only one was ranked above a 3 star.
That's more than Alabama, MS, Kentucky, Arkansas, South Carolina, and LA. The problem is only one of them is on UT's roster
Also, we are three hours away from Charlotte, Atlanta, and talent rich parts of Virginia and South Carolina.
Recruiting to Tennessee isn't as hard as some people think it is.
There are 6 All SEC players that are from Tennessee, and only one was ranked above a 3 star.
That's more than Alabama, MS, Kentucky, Arkansas, South Carolina, and LA. The problem is only one of them is on UT's roster
Also, we are three hours away from Charlotte, Atlanta, and talent rich parts of Virginia and South Carolina.
Recruiting to Tennessee isn't as hard as some people think it is.
This post was edited on 7/29/10 at 12:20 pm
Posted on 7/29/10 at 12:06 pm to Tennessee Jed
Florida and Georgia could fill their rosters from in state talent and compete for the SEC Title... LSU could probably do the same some years (look at 03 roster)
Tennessee is a great program but requires out of state players to compete at the top of the SEC
Tennessee is a great program but requires out of state players to compete at the top of the SEC
Posted on 7/29/10 at 12:49 pm to TennVOLS423
Tennessee is second only to Bama in the SEC when it comes to history and tradition. They went out to the Rose Bowl much like Bama way back before southern football was respected nationally.
I am split on the future of Tennessee as a big boy. Part of me says that the money, facilities and crowd support will eventually lead them back to the top of the heap. However I am worried for several reasons. Tennessee always recruited out of state for a large portion of it's talent due to the lack of top talent in state. I believe there is only 1 or 2 four stars in Tennessee this year, per Rivals. Having a 100,000 seat stadium with top of the line facilities gave the Vols a leg up on competition. Now most of the big SEC schools have mammoth stadiums with even nicer facilities. Where will UT find the edge in recruiting now?
I am split on the future of Tennessee as a big boy. Part of me says that the money, facilities and crowd support will eventually lead them back to the top of the heap. However I am worried for several reasons. Tennessee always recruited out of state for a large portion of it's talent due to the lack of top talent in state. I believe there is only 1 or 2 four stars in Tennessee this year, per Rivals. Having a 100,000 seat stadium with top of the line facilities gave the Vols a leg up on competition. Now most of the big SEC schools have mammoth stadiums with even nicer facilities. Where will UT find the edge in recruiting now?
Posted on 7/29/10 at 1:28 pm to SabanIsAGod
Recruiting has changed so much in the last 10 years that it could be the hole that Tennessee can't dig itself out of. It's not so much how the programs recruit, it's the egos of these recruits that has grown with it.
I look at all the five stars Tennessee has attracted over this decade. Look at how many of them came with significant baggage (minus Berry).
I look at all the five stars Tennessee has attracted over this decade. Look at how many of them came with significant baggage (minus Berry).
Posted on 7/29/10 at 1:36 pm to SabanIsAGod
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I believe there is only 1 or 2 four stars in Tennessee this year
Did you not see my above post. There are six pre-season All SEC players from Tennessee, and only one was a rated higher than a three star.
How many four stars has LA produced in the past 4 years that didn't come close to the Preseason all SEC list.
I know TN can't rely strictly on in state recruits, but it's clear there is plenty of underrated talent. We have a top 15 class every year, and it's not going to be any different this time around. The only difference is everyone will qualify and the majority will be EE's.
6 of our 8 commits are EE. The other two have already qualified, and would be EE's if it wasn't for baseball. Though they have both said they would enroll in January if Dooley asks them to. The 2 commits we are getting on friday are also EEs.
Posted on 7/29/10 at 1:38 pm to Tennessee Jed
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Did you not see my above post. There are six pre-season All SEC players from Tennessee, and only one was a rated higher than a three star.
How many four stars has LA produced in the past 4 years that didn't come close to the Preseason all SEC list.
I understand what your saying, but year-in year-out Tennessee does not produce the talent of the deep southern states.
Posted on 7/29/10 at 1:41 pm to SabanIsAGod
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Tennessee is second only to Bama in the SEC when it comes to history and tradition
Exactly some of these idiots think football started in 2005. If you look at the whole picture very few teams are ahead of us. We will be back to much money, fan support, and prestige to keep us down.
Posted on 7/29/10 at 1:52 pm to tennfanatic
I said in a thread a few weeks ago that I feel like Tennessee is the current sleeping giant in the SEC right now.
Even though the state of TN isn't considered a hotbed for HS talent, UT recruits itself. They just needa get the right coach in there.
Even though the state of TN isn't considered a hotbed for HS talent, UT recruits itself. They just needa get the right coach in there.
Posted on 7/29/10 at 1:54 pm to Papa Purple and Gold
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I said in a thread a few weeks ago that I feel like Tennessee is the current sleeping giant in the SEC right now.
Not IMO
It's probably UGA or South Carolina... esp UGA
Posted on 7/29/10 at 2:00 pm to tennfanatic
I think Tenn has a tough road to get back to national prominence on a consistent basis. The in-state talent is not there compared to it's biggest rivals (UF, UGa, LSU, Bama). Jed, you're argument about the pre-season watch list having a large number of Tenn natives works against you. Why aren't a majority of those kids Vols? Do you honestly think the Gators, Tide or Bayou Bengals would let 5 of 6 get away? Not likely. Face it, in the last 50 years (roughly the facemask/television era) the Vols have exactly one NC. That puts them in the same category as Climpson, BYU and Ga Tech. Tenn is a regional power, not a national one.
Posted on 7/29/10 at 2:02 pm to SoFla Tideroller
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Why aren't a majority of those kids Vols
Barrett, Marve, Cobb weren't recruited by TN. Walker and Reveiz are on our roster, and Hightower got paid.
So by that Logic UGA isn't even a regional power because they haven't compteted for a title in 30 years
This post was edited on 7/29/10 at 2:10 pm
Posted on 7/29/10 at 2:09 pm to Tennessee Jed
For whatever the reason, they're not Vols. For a program that's already operating under a talent deficit compared to its rivals, Tenn has to hit on the hidden gems in-state. UF can afford to let unheralded guys like J. Arenas escape to UA, Tenn doesn't have that luxury.
Posted on 7/29/10 at 2:10 pm to SoFla Tideroller
Alabama in terms of ceiling is no higher than TN's, you hit the right coach at the right time.
That's what it comes down to, if Saban was at UGA, Florida, FSU, Miami, Texas, USC he would never lose another football game.
That's what it comes down to, if Saban was at UGA, Florida, FSU, Miami, Texas, USC he would never lose another football game.
This post was edited on 7/29/10 at 2:14 pm
Posted on 7/29/10 at 2:14 pm to SoFla Tideroller
it's not like UT is in an isolated spot geographically. They are just north of GA (pulled Eric Berry) and near the east coast guys
Posted on 7/29/10 at 2:16 pm to Papa Purple and Gold
Exactly 3 hours from Atlanta, Charlotte, The western Part of Virginia and most of SC
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