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re: Tell me why Coach O is different from Gene Chizik
Posted on 4/29/20 at 11:46 am to CrimsonFever
Posted on 4/29/20 at 11:46 am to CrimsonFever
So far nothing really. They both relied on coordinators to have success and a good QB for 1 seasons of success.
But I think O ends up doing better than Chizik and doesn't fall off the way Auburn did. Just a better program with better results in general. LSU just seems better suited for longer term success, aka 9+ wins a season.
But I think O ends up doing better than Chizik and doesn't fall off the way Auburn did. Just a better program with better results in general. LSU just seems better suited for longer term success, aka 9+ wins a season.
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Posted on 4/29/20 at 11:48 am to CrimsonFever
Are you little bitches gonna melt forever?
Posted on 4/29/20 at 11:49 am to 3down10
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So far nothing really. They both relied on coordinators to have success
Who doesn't?
Bammers constantly point to staff turnover as a cause for Alabama's recent struggles.
Moving the goalpost?
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a good QB for 1 seasons of success.
LSU had the same quarterback in 2018.
Posted on 4/29/20 at 11:55 am to CrimsonFever
Chizik made some critical errors by trying to change offenses and losing control of the team. Players were getting in trouble left and right. It wasn't a recruiting issue. The falloff in 2011 was predicable after losing so many seniors along with Fairley and Cam. 2012 happened then Gus goes to the NC game the next year. Decent talent had to be there.
This post was edited on 4/29/20 at 11:56 am
Posted on 4/29/20 at 11:59 am to CrimsonFever
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Both had questionable coaching careers then had a dream season with a Heisman winning QB. Chizik lasted two years after the dream season with Cam. Why will Coach O be different?
O is willing to evolve and recruits better across the board....this ability lends itself to longevity.
Posted on 4/29/20 at 12:01 pm to SidewalkTiger
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Who doesn't?
Saban, Meyers and a very select group. But it's not common and there is a reason why you don't see dynasties. Not many coaches even get the 1st national championship, the ones that get more than 1 you can literally count on 1 hand.
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Bammers constantly point to staff turnover as a cause for Alabama's recent struggles.
Moving the goalpost?
Alabama has won national championships with 4 different offensive coordinators and 2 different defensive coordinators during the Saban era.
Obviously there is more going on than just coordinators.
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LSU had the same quarterback in 2018.
And he sucked until another coordinator came in and installed a different system.
This post was edited on 4/29/20 at 12:03 pm
Posted on 4/29/20 at 12:04 pm to 3down10
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Saban, Meyers and a very select group.
Well thats just complete bullshite.
Posted on 4/29/20 at 12:05 pm to Elleshoe
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We’re so much better prepared on game day than when Miles was here. It’s night and day.
Bingo we have a winner! and its not even close.
Posted on 4/29/20 at 12:06 pm to CrimsonFever
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Both had questionable coaching careers then had a dream season with a Heisman winning QB. Chizik lasted two years after the dream season with Cam. Why will Coach O be different?
Chizik never won more than 8 games without Newton and and Malzahn
O won 10 games without Joe Brady and 9 games without Joe Brady or Joe Burrow.
This post was edited on 4/29/20 at 12:07 pm
Posted on 4/29/20 at 12:07 pm to SidewalkTiger
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Well thats just complete bullshite.
Posted on 4/29/20 at 12:14 pm to 3down10
If Saban doesnt "rely on assistants", how did Jimbo, Muschamp, Kirby, Pruitt, and the others get hired as head coaches, especially if they weren't doing anything?
Saban hired Kiffin to bring in some new offense and hired Sark (twice!) to do the same.
Alabama also hasnt been able to win a championship without Pruitt or Kirby under Saban.
Saban relies on assistants as much as anyone, he's very good at identifying good ones too.
Meyer had Ryan Day, Tom Herman, and Dan Mullen just off the top of my head.
Any successful college football head coach in this day and time relies on assistants.
Saban hired Kiffin to bring in some new offense and hired Sark (twice!) to do the same.
Alabama also hasnt been able to win a championship without Pruitt or Kirby under Saban.
Saban relies on assistants as much as anyone, he's very good at identifying good ones too.
Meyer had Ryan Day, Tom Herman, and Dan Mullen just off the top of my head.
Any successful college football head coach in this day and time relies on assistants.
This post was edited on 4/29/20 at 12:15 pm
Posted on 4/29/20 at 12:17 pm to CrimsonFever
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Tell me why Coach O is different from Gene Chizik
Because Auburn sucks.
Posted on 4/29/20 at 12:23 pm to SidewalkTiger
Haven't you heard, Lord Saban does it all himself. He has no coordinators, no other coaches, analysts, or any other type of support staff.
The things some these idiot Gumps say and the way they act is hilarious.
The things some these idiot Gumps say and the way they act is hilarious.
Posted on 4/29/20 at 12:23 pm to SidewalkTiger
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If Saban doesnt "rely on assistants", how did Jimbo, Muschamp, Kirby, Pruitt, and the others get hired as head coaches, especially if they weren't doing anything?
Saban hired Kiffin to bring in some new offense and hired Sark (twice!) to do the same.
Alabama also hasnt been able to win a championship without Pruitt or Kirby under Saban.
Saban relies on assistants as much as anyone, he's very good at identifying good ones too.
Meyer had Ryan Day, Tom Herman, and Dan Mullen just off the top of my head.
Any successful college football head coach in this day and time relies on assistants.
You just named off multiple coordinators those coaches had success with.
When you mention O and Chizik you can only name 1 coordinator they had success with. When Gus left, so did the success. It remains to be seen with LSU as I mentioned in my first post.
I'm not sure why you seem to have trouble understanding the difference.
Posted on 4/29/20 at 12:27 pm to 3down10
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When Gus left, so did the success. It remains to be seen with LSU as I mentioned in my first post
LSU went 10-3 in Orgeron's second season without Brady and the deck stacked against them (offensively).
Posted on 4/29/20 at 12:35 pm to CrimsonFever
O is one of the greatest recruiters in the history of cfb. Chizik is an avg recruiter on his best day. Chizik is a good defensive mind; O has very little credentials for scheming. The comparisons between the two are superficial at best.
Posted on 4/29/20 at 12:52 pm to arcalades
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The comparisons between the two are superficial at best.
The only comparison is they won a national title with a Heisman trophy winning QB. The board wants to compare the two because Auburn took a turn for the worse after that season and are hoping the same will happen to LSU. Someone else already mentioned it, but calling him Gene 2.0 has just become the next lazy argument this board has created. It's honestly pointless arguing with people. They made up their minds about Orgeron a long time ago. It's doesn't matter what he does, there will be a new narrative created to try to denigrate whatever those accomplishments are, regardless of how illogical and/or hypocritical they are. LSU will continue to win like they have the past 20 years, and people will continue to find ways to argue against logic.
This post was edited on 4/29/20 at 12:54 pm
Posted on 4/29/20 at 12:56 pm to SidewalkTiger
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LSU went 10-3 in Orgeron's second season without Brady and the deck stacked against them (offensively).
And?
Did you actually read what I originally posted, or did you just get butthurt immediately and start ranting?
Posted on 4/29/20 at 1:06 pm to SidewalkTiger
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Burrow was pretty average in 2018.
CEO had nothing to do with Burrow's improvement short of hiring the guy that DID...now THAT guy's gone, so....
Posted on 4/29/20 at 1:07 pm to SidewalkTiger
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Did Georgia ever beat Chizik?
Everybody beat Chizik in 2012. John L Smith even beat him.
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