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re: Tell me why Coach O is different from Gene Chizik
Posted on 4/29/20 at 10:36 am to SidewalkTiger
Posted on 4/29/20 at 10:36 am to SidewalkTiger
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Not sure why people use the fact that O surrounds himself with good assistants as a knock.
Who doesnt?
In what universe is that a knock?
My working theory here is that the emotional rise and fall of the O-type leader leads to the peaks and collapses we've seen from other similar coaches. People like him can jump start a program on energy and motivation and cultural matching, but after the surge, can it be sustained at a high level?
And my reference was to the idea that sustaining a program with that type of leader might require that you get different "style" coaches who are less reliant on those attributes.
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Posted on 4/29/20 at 10:38 am to Capstone2017
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I looked it up and all of Auburn's qbs in the last few years were "dual-threat" in highschool.
That's correct. Jeremy Johnson & Sean White were pro-style QBs. Stidham and Nix were both "dual-threat". BUT, their style of dual-threat is a far cry from Cam or Nick Marshall.
Posted on 4/29/20 at 10:44 am to Leto II
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That's correct. Jeremy Johnson & Sean White were pro-style QBs. Stidham and Nix were both "dual-threat". BUT, their style of dual-threat is a far cry from Cam or Nick Marshall.
I mean, was Sean not in that same category of very mobile/accurate passer? I feel like we have a hard time categorizing white dual threat guys because so often "dual threat" in HS becomes pretty much pro style in college (by physical necessity).
A lot of us still aren't convinced Nix will remain a DT by any stretch of the term, although I'm certainly hoping he's able to do so.
ETA - just looked and maybe you're right (on White being only pro-style).
This post was edited on 4/29/20 at 10:47 am
Posted on 4/29/20 at 10:45 am to joshua2571
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One speaks English and one speaks..... Well, I don't know what he speaks.
Coach O speaks victory.
Posted on 4/29/20 at 10:46 am to Pettifogger
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A lot of us still aren't convinced Nix will remain a DT by any stretch of the term, although I'm certainly hoping he's able to do so.
I think Nix will be a beast if the Auburn coaching staff doesnt fail him.
Posted on 4/29/20 at 10:48 am to Pettifogger
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In what universe is that a knock?
I didnt think you were using it as one, I was speaking more to others who do.
Orgeron is constantly referred to as a "CEO type" head coach.
What coach isnt a "CEO type" anymore?
Posted on 4/29/20 at 10:49 am to SidewalkTiger
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I think Nix will be a beast if the Auburn coaching staff doesnt fail him.
Well that sucks for Nix then
Posted on 4/29/20 at 10:51 am to Pettifogger
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A lot of us still aren't convinced Nix will remain a DT by any stretch of the term, although I'm certainly hoping he's able to do so.
No, he's never going to be a Nick Marshall, but he's proven he can at least be a threat to run when he has to. I wish they'd design some more runs for him.
And I agree about the DT transition from college to HS. I think the QB runs a lot more in HS systems than they would be expected to do in college.
Posted on 4/29/20 at 10:51 am to SidewalkTiger
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What coach isnt a "CEO type" anymore?
Maybe Gus, although he's certainly got plenty of CEO characteristics.
And I think the tension between him being an "offensive mind" and a CEO HC is a big part of why Auburn can't get over the hump.
Posted on 4/29/20 at 10:53 am to Pettifogger
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Maybe Gus, although he's certainly got plenty of CEO characteristics.
Luckily he seems to have totally given control of the defense to Steele. I don't ever see him doing the same with the offense, nor should he necessarily. He was hired for his offense, but I think he is developing more into a program builder.
Posted on 4/29/20 at 10:55 am to Pettifogger
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Maybe Gus, although he's certainly got plenty of CEO characteristics.
I'd add Mike Leach, maybe Lincoln Riley.
Posted on 4/29/20 at 10:58 am to Leto II
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And I agree about the DT transition from college to HS. I think the QB runs a lot more in HS systems than they would be expected to do in college.
Depending on where they go to school, someone like Bo Nix may be one of the top 3 athletes on the field in HS.
Rarely are they at the next level unless you're someone like Newton or Tebow.
He has the skills to be an effective runner a la Burrow though and thats sometimes more dangerous because it forces you to focus on making smart decisions and playing from the pocket more than a Newton or Tebow would because they can just "out athlete" everyone.
Its better for long term development in my opinion.
Posted on 4/29/20 at 11:01 am to CrimsonFever
Coach O can easily drink Chizik under the table. In a fight you just know O would bite Gene's nose off and spit it in his face. Just on those two data points alone I have to give the nod to O being a better fit at LSU than Chizik was at Auburn.
Posted on 4/29/20 at 11:01 am to SidewalkTiger
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I'd add Mike Leach, maybe Lincoln Riley.
And while he doesn't need to right now, I won't be surprised if Riley increasingly takes on CEO characteristics in the future
Leach is one of the few guys that will never be a CEO coach, but he'll never be at a program where he needs to, honestly.
Posted on 4/29/20 at 11:03 am to Arksulli
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give the nod to O
Posted on 4/29/20 at 11:16 am to CP3LSU25
Nope, tied with 2004 Ohio State with 14.
Posted on 4/29/20 at 11:29 am to CrimsonFever
Chizik had 5 career wins prior to coming to Auburn.
Orgeron had two winning seasons as an interim coach before LSU hired him.
Orgeron had two winning seasons as an interim coach before LSU hired him.
Posted on 4/29/20 at 11:39 am to CrimsonFever
He’s not. Next question.
Posted on 4/29/20 at 11:39 am to Cobb Dawg
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He’s not. Next question.
Did Georgia ever beat Chizik?
Posted on 4/29/20 at 11:39 am to Cobb Dawg
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He’s not. Next question.
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