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re: Teams Claiming More National Championships Than They Should (Updated OP)
Posted on 8/26/14 at 9:04 am to PurpleandGoldmember
Posted on 8/26/14 at 9:04 am to PurpleandGoldmember
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SEC Schools and National Championships:
Texas A&M - Claims 3 - Should Claim 1 (1939)
LSU - Claims 3 - Should Claim 3 (1958, 2003, 2007)
Ole Miss - Claims 3 - Should Claim 1 (1960)
Mississippi St - 0 - 0
Georgia - Claims 5 - Should Claim 2 (1942, 1980)
Auburn- Claims 2-Should Claim 8 (1910, 1913, 1914, 1957, 1958, 1983, 2004 and 2010)
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Posted on 8/26/14 at 9:04 am to RightHook
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but bama with 14 nattys is legit as it gets
lol, no. more like 10.
that's what ESPN says they have anyways.
and one could argue that it's closer to 7 or 8
Posted on 8/26/14 at 9:04 am to Crimson Legend
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Has no comment on auburn's claims,
What claims? '57 and '10? are they not legit?
Posted on 8/26/14 at 9:05 am to RightHook
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pre wire service nattys are always a bit ambiguous, but bama has 4 undefeated teams that went to the rose bowl. they put southern football on the map, not sure why they count 1941 (dumbest natty to be claimed in the history of nattys) but bama with 14 nattys is legit as it gets. they have 10 modern poll era wire service national titles (ap, coaches)
Agree, although with the caveat that the Rose Bowl was not considered the "championship game" as Alabama fans will claim.
In fact, multiple publications from around the country named "national champions" and there were clear regional biases at play. It was common for four, five, even six teams to be declared champs.
Alabama did put together the first true run of really good Southern football teams in the 1920s, but there were predecessors.
Namely, Vanderbilt was the first Southern program to even be worthy of consideration by the Northeastern powers. Meanwhile, teams like LSU and Auburn had their share of regional success, and each can point to a year when they "should" be the national champs (this may or may not be true).
But it John Heisman's 1917 Georgia Tech team that was the first Southern champ that really had the backing of the rest of the country. They were the first great Southern football team, and they put Southern football on the map.
This post was edited on 8/26/14 at 9:11 am
Posted on 8/26/14 at 9:05 am to PurpleandGoldmember
Auburn just won the 2004 Natty this year.
Also, several months ago, I claimed 119 National Championships dating back to the late 1800's, for SC. So we are now the most historic program of all time AND I really just did that before Auburn could.
Also, as the OP pointed out, many teams claim Natty's other teams claim the same year, so this shouldn't be an issue.
If all one has to do is look back in time and say, "hey, we're going to claim that year," or base it off of a publication, then that's easy. That thread from a few months ago was my publication, so I'm claiming the SECrant National Championships Poll (no you don't get to vote, only I do.,) and that's my basis on the Natty claims for SC.
Also, several months ago, I claimed 119 National Championships dating back to the late 1800's, for SC. So we are now the most historic program of all time AND I really just did that before Auburn could.
Also, as the OP pointed out, many teams claim Natty's other teams claim the same year, so this shouldn't be an issue.
If all one has to do is look back in time and say, "hey, we're going to claim that year," or base it off of a publication, then that's easy. That thread from a few months ago was my publication, so I'm claiming the SECrant National Championships Poll (no you don't get to vote, only I do.,) and that's my basis on the Natty claims for SC.
Posted on 8/26/14 at 9:06 am to NYCAuburn
Posted on 8/26/14 at 9:07 am to Dr Rosenrosen
And after 1936 we have only claimed AP/Coaches/BCS titles expect '41, which Ive never understood that one..
Posted on 8/26/14 at 9:07 am to Crimson Legend
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Spin away.
again, Auburn claims 57 and 10. spin away all you want with your Aubsession
Posted on 8/26/14 at 9:12 am to TxTiger82
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But it was Pop Warner's 1917 Georgia Tech team that was the first Southern champ that really had the backing of the rest of the country. They were the first great Southern football team, and they put Southern football on the map.
Then why do we always hear how it was Bama's 26 team that did this?
Posted on 8/26/14 at 9:12 am to monsterballads
How do you get "closer to 7 or 8"?
There are 10 legit titles since 1936 when the AP poll started. Either AP, coaches, or the BCS. Plus the 4 pre-36/rose bowls. You could argue the early ones, nothing to argue about the other 10. We won them under the system that was in place at the time.
There are 10 legit titles since 1936 when the AP poll started. Either AP, coaches, or the BCS. Plus the 4 pre-36/rose bowls. You could argue the early ones, nothing to argue about the other 10. We won them under the system that was in place at the time.
This post was edited on 8/26/14 at 9:13 am
Posted on 8/26/14 at 9:13 am to monsterballads
so the ap and/or wire service nattys that bama has shouldnt count? they have 10 national championship years since the poll era started. they had 4 years prior to that where they where awarded the most national titles by the respective services, very big games that saw a southern team going to l.a. and beating the pac champ. one year they where undefeated and tied the rose bowl. 1941 is complete bullshite, but some of you guys need a serious history lesson in football. i dont like bama either, but im not envious, just stating facts.
Posted on 8/26/14 at 9:15 am to Patton
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Then why do we always hear how it was Bama's 26 team that did this?
Because you are a Bama fan, of course.
That and the Rose Bowl, which went on to have more importance than it did then. I was wrong about Pop Warner. John Heisman was their coach. Warner coached Pitt (the other great team of 1917). I got confused. Post is edited now.
Seriously though, the Georgia Tech team is widely considered one of the greatest teams of that era, and so is their backfield. They had a hall of fame coach, and they outscored their opponents like 400-50.
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Posted on 8/26/14 at 9:15 am to RightHook
cfbdatawarehouse is a great resource btw.
Posted on 8/26/14 at 9:17 am to GIbson05
Bama's titles are mostly legit. Even 1973, the year in which they lost to Notre Dame in the Sugar. Bama was awarded the AP title that year.
Auburn has no claim on 2004. That one still belongs to USC because they retained the AP title.
Auburn has no claim on 2004. That one still belongs to USC because they retained the AP title.
Posted on 8/26/14 at 9:17 am to RightHook
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they have 10 national championship years since the poll era started
yeah, much more valid than people claiming 15.
Posted on 8/26/14 at 9:19 am to PurpleandGoldmember
1919 TAMU: Unscored upon. While we scored 275 over the course of the season. Seems legit to me.
We even took it easy on the NCs. 1917 we were also unscored upon and picked in some publications. But had even more points scored.
We even took it easy on the NCs. 1917 we were also unscored upon and picked in some publications. But had even more points scored.
This post was edited on 8/26/14 at 9:21 am
Posted on 8/26/14 at 9:20 am to Dr Rosenrosen
The polls are no doubt flawed (for instance, 1983 Auburn has a great argument for that). However, between 1936 and 1997, the two poll system is the most historically consistent criterion we can use.
Between 1997 and 2013 it is the BCS, and from here on out it is the playoff.
The really difficult era is the pre-poll era. That's why I love this site LINK / this guy really knows his stuff.
Between 1997 and 2013 it is the BCS, and from here on out it is the playoff.
The really difficult era is the pre-poll era. That's why I love this site LINK / this guy really knows his stuff.
Posted on 8/26/14 at 9:20 am to GIbson05
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There are 10 legit titles since 1936 when the AP poll started. Either AP, coaches, or the BCS. Plus the 4 pre-36/rose bowls. You could argue the early ones, nothing to argue about the other 10. We won them under the system that was in place at the time.
UT has six collegiate football national championships that have been widely recognized: 1938, 1940, 1950, 1951, 1967 and 1998
Additionally, it has another eight collegiate national titles that were awarded through various entities that it does not recognize: 1914, 1927, 1928, 1931, 1939, 1956, 1985 and 1989.
Why 1939 isn't recognized, I don't know. 10 wins, zero losses, zero points given up.
Posted on 8/26/14 at 9:21 am to RightHook
NC did not mean what they mean now. The OP is correct that many schools claim bogus titles and Auburn competes directly with three of them for players (ole miss, Bama, UGA).
I believe Auburn should claim 3 and acknowledge more....instead we acknowledged our undefeated seasons.
I believe Auburn should claim 3 and acknowledge more....instead we acknowledged our undefeated seasons.
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