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Posted on 11/13/17 at 8:41 am to David Ricky
Why is that funny?
Posted on 11/13/17 at 8:41 am to AUTiger45
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you must be about 20 years old. UT is a sleeping giant.
I agree. Plus they are in the east.
Posted on 11/13/17 at 8:42 am to AU4real35
About the same recruiting base
When Tenn was rolling they were pulling players from all over - mostly from Georgia when they had their struggles.
Ark has to get the Texas kids to have a chance but their move to the SEC really hurt them in that state.
When Tenn was rolling they were pulling players from all over - mostly from Georgia when they had their struggles.
Ark has to get the Texas kids to have a chance but their move to the SEC really hurt them in that state.
Posted on 11/13/17 at 8:43 am to Drebin
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You're an Auburn fan so logic is not really a thing for you. I'll give you a pass because of that.
Tennessee can potentially recruit nationally.
Arkansas is lucky to recruit in their county.
Posted on 11/13/17 at 8:45 am to dallastiger55
Posted on 11/13/17 at 8:47 am to hogcard1964
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25 years ago, yes but not today. Long and Bielema have done so much damage to the program, to the point that it will take an era to change the culture. Right now Arkansas is the doldrums if the SEC.
Hmm, I would have assumed the opposite. They were a powerhouse and now suck and have for years but I do understand your points I suppose.
Posted on 11/13/17 at 8:49 am to Pettifogger
A&M is a much better job than Tennessee. It's not even close
How is Tennessee a better job?
A&M has more money, easier recruiting ground, better facilities
How is Tennessee a better job?
A&M has more money, easier recruiting ground, better facilities
Posted on 11/13/17 at 8:49 am to hogcard1964
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25 years ago, yes but not today
25 years ago?
That was the end of the Johnny Majors era, where Tennessee let a coach go that had won 27 games in his last 3 seasons (and this was back when they only played 11 regular season games).
That was also the end of the Jack Crowe era, where Arkansas won 12 games in the last 3 seasons.
Who got the better gig that year? Phillip Fulmer or Danny Ford?
Posted on 11/13/17 at 8:49 am to Drebin
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ou're an Auburn fan so logic is not really a thing for you. I'll give you a pass because of that.
UT's best days are behind them. They are a joke. The kids they are recruiting today live in a world where Tennessee has never been anything but mediocre.
a has been original SEC team or a never was expansion team. sorry the truth hurts you so bad but thats as honest as this can be stated. Arky never was and never will be anything in the SEC.
Posted on 11/13/17 at 8:51 am to PearlJam
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They have more resources
on paper but A&M isn't going to pay off the charts more than Tennessee for coaches and the facilities are a push
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much more fertile recruiting footprint.
A&M is the little brother school though & the campus is ugly/town is poor.
Posted on 11/13/17 at 8:51 am to dallastiger55
If Tennessee is such a good program then why did they have to hire Derek Dooley and Butch Jones?
Posted on 11/13/17 at 8:54 am to Stonehog
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If Tennessee is such a good program then why did they have to hire Derek Dooley and Butch Jones?
Exactly
Posted on 11/13/17 at 8:56 am to Stonehog
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Stonehog
welcher, you should be ostracized
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why did they have to hire Derek Dooley
Kiffin left them at the worst possible time
Posted on 11/13/17 at 8:58 am to PearlJam
I'm going to go a little beyond what the OP probably meant, and put out my thoughts on these kinds of jobs - at least what I would think if I were some hot coaching candidate like Scott Frost or Norvell.
There are jobs out there that have had great historical success. Usually it is because they have high population in their recruiting grounds with lots of talent.
Sometimes conditions change, and Nebraska and Minnesota aren't what they used to be.
But most of these historical powers have high, even poisonous expectations.
South Carolina is playing Wofford this weekend. If we win by 10 points and look kind of crappy doing it some people will grumble.
At Auburn, at Alabama, at Florida if you don't rip the guts out of a team like that and totally blow them out, the fanbase is angry. If you don't have a national championship caliber team EVERY year, the fanbase is angry. Lose to a rival more than two years in a row say? They want your head.
And to meet expectations like that, you tend to have to recruit guys who you personally would rather not have anything to do with ever. Like Art Briles. Or Florida's current crop. Or that zoo Osborne had at Nebraska on those power teams at the end of his career. Or any Barry Switzer team ever.
And then we have some Auburn teams. Heck they didn't bother to do some fancy bookstore grift like the Florida players did. They just robbed a convenience store directly.
I'd rather be at Kansas State, Georgia Tech, South Carolina, Clemson, NC State, the list could go on a long time. I'd gladly take the roughly million dollars or so less a year and actually enjoy life and maybe coaching.
I wouldn't touch the Florida, FSU, Texas, Southern Cal, Alabama, Tennessee, Ohio State, Notre Dame jobs with a 10-foot purple marital aid.
My two cents.
There are jobs out there that have had great historical success. Usually it is because they have high population in their recruiting grounds with lots of talent.
Sometimes conditions change, and Nebraska and Minnesota aren't what they used to be.
But most of these historical powers have high, even poisonous expectations.
South Carolina is playing Wofford this weekend. If we win by 10 points and look kind of crappy doing it some people will grumble.
At Auburn, at Alabama, at Florida if you don't rip the guts out of a team like that and totally blow them out, the fanbase is angry. If you don't have a national championship caliber team EVERY year, the fanbase is angry. Lose to a rival more than two years in a row say? They want your head.
And to meet expectations like that, you tend to have to recruit guys who you personally would rather not have anything to do with ever. Like Art Briles. Or Florida's current crop. Or that zoo Osborne had at Nebraska on those power teams at the end of his career. Or any Barry Switzer team ever.
And then we have some Auburn teams. Heck they didn't bother to do some fancy bookstore grift like the Florida players did. They just robbed a convenience store directly.
I'd rather be at Kansas State, Georgia Tech, South Carolina, Clemson, NC State, the list could go on a long time. I'd gladly take the roughly million dollars or so less a year and actually enjoy life and maybe coaching.
I wouldn't touch the Florida, FSU, Texas, Southern Cal, Alabama, Tennessee, Ohio State, Notre Dame jobs with a 10-foot purple marital aid.
My two cents.
This post was edited on 11/13/17 at 9:01 am
Posted on 11/13/17 at 8:59 am to dallastiger55
UT is better but not by as much as it was 20 years ago. Arky is the hardest school to recruit to in the West. The in state talent isn't anywhere close to LA or FL or GA or even AL.
UT has the same problem to some degree but I feel Knoxville is more attractive than bfe Arkansaw.
UT has the same problem to some degree but I feel Knoxville is more attractive than bfe Arkansaw.
Posted on 11/13/17 at 9:01 am to Sunbeam
quote:I don't even remember this.
And then we have some Auburn teams. Heck they didn't bother to do some fancy bookstore grift like the Florida players did. They just robbed a convenience store directly.
Posted on 11/13/17 at 9:03 am to Pettifogger
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Aren't you an Arkansas fan?
Um, no.
UT is a better program than Arkansas, but the gap isn't very big at all.
Posted on 11/13/17 at 9:06 am to Sunbeam
I remember that. Was your point that the schools with less pressure to win don't recruit these same kids?
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