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re: *Super Dee Duper Official X's and O's discussion of LSU vs Alabama Thread*
Posted on 11/2/16 at 4:08 pm to bamasgot13
Posted on 11/2/16 at 4:08 pm to bamasgot13
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However, do you feel Etling more resembles Kelly/Allen or Dobbs? Can Etling do in the passing game what Kelly (gun) and Allen (quick release/toughness) can do?
He's not even Trevor Knight and we saw how that worked out.
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Posted on 11/2/16 at 4:08 pm to Nado Jenkins83
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DeSean smith is a matchup nightmare for bamas lbs
Is he? What has he done?
Reuben Foster has been great at pass coverage the last two seasons. If LSU can get Smith lined up against Ryan Anderson they might find some success, but Anderson isn't in pass coverage often.
Posted on 11/2/16 at 4:09 pm to 14&Counting
I think he is more accurate than Knight. Knight is faster and has a bigger arm, but Etling seems to have good game management and nice touch on quick throws.
Posted on 11/2/16 at 4:09 pm to Triple Daves
For the LSU D, the matchup I am watching is Key on Cam. How well Key holds up in the run, and how well Cam holds up against the Key in passing situations.
I dont think LSU wants to over commit on blitzes with the scramble ability Hurts brings so i'd expect to see some delayed blitzes up the middle with Beckwith.
For the LSU O there has been a lot of talk about short passes to open up the run, but from the games I have watch, Bama is pretty good at smothering YAC. LSU will have to able to connect on the mid range passes to back off that nasty front 7.
I dont think LSU wants to over commit on blitzes with the scramble ability Hurts brings so i'd expect to see some delayed blitzes up the middle with Beckwith.
For the LSU O there has been a lot of talk about short passes to open up the run, but from the games I have watch, Bama is pretty good at smothering YAC. LSU will have to able to connect on the mid range passes to back off that nasty front 7.
Posted on 11/2/16 at 4:11 pm to 14&Counting
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What? If you mean you have to be able to pass as well to beat Bama then OK....I wouldn't say our pass defense is a weakness whatsoever....where we have been challenged is with guys who can move and have an arm like Watson and Kelly.
LSU doesn't have that guy and your OL won't hold up
Welp...guess we should just not show up then...
Posted on 11/2/16 at 4:11 pm to Oeauxface
Yea, Etling will have a lot on his shoulders this weekend. Small windows and quick decisions.
This post was edited on 11/2/16 at 4:13 pm
Posted on 11/2/16 at 4:12 pm to 14&Counting
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Wrong...you haven't been following how Saban has re-tooled this defense. This isn't 2011's defense.
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What? If you mean you have to be able to pass as well to beat Bama then OK....I wouldn't say our pass defense is a weakness whatsoever....where we have been challenged is with guys who can move and have an arm like Watson and Kelly. LSU doesn't have that guy and your OL won't hold up
Okay dude, drop the crimson shades before you want to talk football again.
Posted on 11/2/16 at 4:13 pm to Riseupfromtherubble
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Matchup to watch for- Alabama wide receivers against LSU corners....in the running game. Gehrig Deiter has the 2nd highest grade in the country for eligible receivers when it comes to run blocking. Stewart and Ridley are also very good blockers. This springs the chunk yardage plays on the ground. A Tennessee corner got put on skates on that reverse a few weeks ago that went for a touchdown. Just blocked out of the play for 4 or 5 seconds. How good are White and Jackson at getting off blocks and tackling guys in space?
Funny how the guy getting blocked against Bama always looks like he's getting held....no, don't worry I know he's not... it just looks like he is. I mean why wouln't you want to continue waltzing with the receiver while the running back runs right past you?
This post was edited on 11/2/16 at 4:14 pm
Posted on 11/2/16 at 4:13 pm to Triple Daves
Etling isn't a runner, but he reminds me of Drew Brees a little bit (a very little bit, OK). He has a very good ability of moving around in the pocket to buy himself an extra second, and has good awareness in the pocket. He also seems pretty unflappable, as the final failed drive that cost Miles his job against Auburn will show. Etling may be the most-equipped QB we've had in many years to match up against Alabama.
Posted on 11/2/16 at 4:14 pm to Triple Daves
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Yea, we were discussing that in the other thread. I'm guessing Aranda moves people around and comes from different places to try and make Hurts uncomfortable in the read option game, make him second guess himself in reads.
Yep, and I'd expect to see alot of Jamal Adams up in the box. Didn't watch the Bama-Wisconsin game, so I'm not sure how Aranda chose to scheme against the Bama offense, but I know Chavis always chose to play with basically just 1 single-high safety and press on the outside. I was a nervous wreck the whole 2014 game thinking Bama was going to send Cooper deep and hit him on a 70 yard TD, but Bama didn't even try to do that.
Posted on 11/2/16 at 4:15 pm to Triple Daves
As long as he doesn't develop the Brandon Harris tendency of "oh shite, collapsing pocket, how far can I throw it to Dupre" when faced with pressure, I am cautiously optimistic we can have some success.
However, he can get check-down happy at times and then we get nowhere. It's a fine line.
However, he can get check-down happy at times and then we get nowhere. It's a fine line.
Posted on 11/2/16 at 4:16 pm to Tigerpaul1969
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Talking about safeties, I'm sorry for Eddie Jackson, but glad he's not playing. That could be a key to this game
Well it sucks for us for sure....we have talented guys but Eddie was the captain of the defense. Time for Tony Brown, who is an NFL talent but not so much between the ears, to step up.
Edit: I think it's Tony or Hootie depending on package
Posted on 11/2/16 at 4:18 pm to Leonard
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However, he can get check-down happy at times and then we get nowhere. It's a fine line.
Yea, if will be a fine line between taking good shots and making the good safe decision.
I watched his passes from the last 3 games, he looks in control and confident. He is clearly limited, but he seems to quickly make decisions on intermediate throws. For the overall year he's a very good fit because he gets to play off the incredible run game. However, this game will stretch that and I wonder if he's up to the challenge. Could determine the game.
Posted on 11/2/16 at 4:19 pm to 14&Counting
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Well it sucks for us for sure....we have talented guys but Eddie was the captain of the defense. Time for Tony Brown, who is an NFL talent but not so much between the ears, to step up.
I'm very nervous about Tony in a game like this with lots of runs and then safety sucking play action.
He's apt to totally bite and leave a guy running free down the field.
Posted on 11/2/16 at 4:19 pm to Tigerpaul1969
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Tigerpaul1969
What I've seen from LSU fans is that Etling is accurate and doesn't rattle easily. The knock I've seen from LSU fans on Etling is that his release is slow. To me, it will boil down the play of the LSU o-line. Run block well and that goes a long way. Keep Etling from getting pressured AND run block well and you've got a legit shot at the W.
Posted on 11/2/16 at 4:19 pm to Triple Daves
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However, this game will stretch that and I wonder if he's up to the challenge. Could determine the game.
There is that OL issue again
Posted on 11/2/16 at 4:20 pm to Triple Daves
Can the LSU oline block bamas dline...I am not very confident they can.
Next question is can LSU come up with a successful gameplan to counter being overmatched by bamas dline
Can the LSU front 7 make bama 1 dimensional.
Next question is can LSU come up with a successful gameplan to counter being overmatched by bamas dline
Can the LSU front 7 make bama 1 dimensional.
Posted on 11/2/16 at 4:20 pm to bamasgot13
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I'll agree that the pass D on those particular road games was our biggest weakness. However, do you feel Etling more resembles Kelly/Allen or Dobbs? Can Etling do in the passing game what Kelly (gun) and Allen (quick release/toughness) can do?
Etling is tough, see vs Auburn this year to get an idea. I don't know where to gauge him yet though, We're traditionally run heavy so seeing a QB just be in the 200's feels amazing, which is sad
His deep ball is usually overthrown but his mid range pass is $$$$$$$.
An aside, his best performance under Orgeron has been vs USM. Under O he is averaging 232 yds 64.1%
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What I've seen from LSU fans is that Etling is accurate and doesn't rattle easily.
The slow release I would say is definitely a weakness.
This post was edited on 11/2/16 at 4:23 pm
Posted on 11/2/16 at 4:21 pm to Triple Daves
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He's apt to totally bite and leave a guy running free down the field.
Exactly what I worry about as well.....It's probably going to happen.
Posted on 11/2/16 at 4:21 pm to Oeauxface
several notes/opinions on the passing game.
For LSU to shut down Bama's:
They must get off blocks and tackle in space. We're going to throw them ball short more than we are long. We'll attempt 3-4 50/50 balls, the rest is going to be 0-15 yards. If LSU can't get off blocks and have their secondary tackle in space then they'll give up some chunk plays here on RPOs. I've already touched on their blocking ability, the receivers love to block and do it well
For LSU to get it going against Bama:
50/50 balls. That's your best bet and Bama's biggest weakness. They cover fine, both of our corners are track guys, they just don't always find the football when they're on an island. The short stuff doesn't really work against Alabama, they all tackle well. The play action from under center...you're just not going to have enough time to do that much, our pass rush is that good. LSU needs to establish a run game enough to get a safety in the box, and throw a 50/50 9 route to that guy's side of the field. Bama is susceptible to backs running routes downfield as well, wheel routes particularly. Sneaking out and getting upfield works. Staying in front of our linebackers where they can read and react does not work
For LSU to shut down Bama's:
They must get off blocks and tackle in space. We're going to throw them ball short more than we are long. We'll attempt 3-4 50/50 balls, the rest is going to be 0-15 yards. If LSU can't get off blocks and have their secondary tackle in space then they'll give up some chunk plays here on RPOs. I've already touched on their blocking ability, the receivers love to block and do it well
For LSU to get it going against Bama:
50/50 balls. That's your best bet and Bama's biggest weakness. They cover fine, both of our corners are track guys, they just don't always find the football when they're on an island. The short stuff doesn't really work against Alabama, they all tackle well. The play action from under center...you're just not going to have enough time to do that much, our pass rush is that good. LSU needs to establish a run game enough to get a safety in the box, and throw a 50/50 9 route to that guy's side of the field. Bama is susceptible to backs running routes downfield as well, wheel routes particularly. Sneaking out and getting upfield works. Staying in front of our linebackers where they can read and react does not work
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