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Posted on 8/4/22 at 12:16 pm to meansonny
Posted on 8/4/22 at 12:16 pm to meansonny
That's probably true. Georgia will probably throw it more in the late 3rd/4th than they did last year, but it still won't be all that much given there just aren't many teams on that schedule that can (a) stay with them or (b) stop them grinding a game down late. Oregon, State, Tennessee, Florida, Kentucky maybe? Probably not all of them, maybe none of them.
This post was edited on 8/4/22 at 12:19 pm
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Posted on 8/4/22 at 12:18 pm to DawgsLife
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I think (my opinion) that a definite argument could be made that he is a top 5 SEC QB.
Why are you simping for the gimps?
This is easy.
Young won the Heisman, so he's automatically #1 by default.
Hooker and Stetson have similar metrics, hooker better on some and Stet better on others. Stet gets #2 because he got a ring and MVP honors in Orange and NC. Hooker a close #3.
#4 and #5 who cares. Is it KJ or Richards? Will Rattler break out? This is really the discussion part- who is #4 and #5. Because the top 3 are obvious, and Stetson is in it. Even if you want to put him at #3, he's still in the top five.
Anything else is gimp logic.
Posted on 8/4/22 at 12:19 pm to DawgsLife
quote:meansonny 2 posts below my first post on this page.
can you show me the Georgia poster that has said he is a top 5 QB?
And yeah, Alabama’s offense relied on Bryce, Williams, and Metchie being God mode. It’s not ideal but not some magic trick that Alabama was getting away with or anything.
More balance is always nice but that wasn’t in the cards last year. B Rob was the only RB left healthy by the NC and by himself he’s not very dynamic at all.
Posted on 8/4/22 at 12:24 pm to SummerOfGeorge
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That's probably true. Georgia will probably throw it more in the late 3rd/4th than they did last year, but it still won't be all that much given there just aren't many teams on that schedule that can (a) stay with them or (b) stop them grinding a game down late.
I had compared attempts to previous seasons at UGA.
Ironically, we flung it in 2019 with Coley calling plays. But his play calls appeared to have no purpose (or our young WRs weren't running the right routes).
Nothing in the play calling helped anyone get open. No real mesh, rubs, or floods. Just you go here and you go there.
Anyway, 2017 UGA with Jake Fromm we only threw 48 times in the 4th quarter (15 games).
If we are good enough in 2022, it could still be a sub 3000 passing year for stet.
I just expect Monken to be more comfortable with the offense with what we bring back.
Posted on 8/4/22 at 12:27 pm to meansonny
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You are on record. I am finally on record. I appreciate the reply.
They don’t call SummerOfGeorge and I the best Alabama posters on the SECr for nothing
quote:We remember.
I'm surprised a Bama fan doesn't remember what it is like to run out a clock in the 4th quarter
The last time it happened Alabama’s QB should have have the Heisman and he only played about half of every game.
quote:I need to find some starting field position stats. Something is telling me y’all’s defense was a MAJOR factor in all of this and not some super offensive that was able to sit on the ball after total domination.
Bama ran 167 more offensive plays than UGA on 2021. That is 2.65 more games' worth of plays by our offensive standard (we played the same amount of games).
The start of the Arkansas game, if I remember correctly, is a good game to show the point I’d like to make.
Posted on 8/4/22 at 12:35 pm to ReauxlTide222
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They don’t call SummerOfGeorge and I the best Alabama posters on the SECr for nothing
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I need to find some starting field position stats. Something is telling me y’all’s defense was a MAJOR factor in all of this and not some super offensive that was able to sit on the ball after total domination.
I don't think the field position info is going to help any argument.
People don't realize how often Stetson was throwing over top of the defense. Longer fields means more area for the defense to cover (means more downfield passing and makes it easier to be successful against a zone defense).
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The start of the Arkansas game, if I remember correctly, is a good game to show the point I’d like to make.
Perfect case in point.
You are correct about the starting field position.
You are incorrect about the implications.
Stet was 7 for 11 in the air for 72 yards and 0 passing TDs. We didn't need him (other than about 3 rushes for first downs).
Only 13 of Stetson's passing touchdowns were even from the redzone (Young threw 25).
If anything, I would argue that your field position helped Young more than it helped Stet.
Stetson Bennett is not a tight horizontal window QB.
He is excellent (the best I can remember) at getting the ball up and down. He can do that in tight spaces. But that skill really shines when going over the Linebackers or over the DBs. And that means room for the receiver to stretch the field.
Posted on 8/4/22 at 12:36 pm to SummerOfGeorge
quote:Ehhhh, something has to give, imo.
2022
285/425 (67%)
4,000 yards 9.4 YPA
34 TD / 9 INT
168.28 Rating (that would have been #7 in the nation in 2021)
If he goes from 2,800 to 4,000 yards passing I see bad things coming with it. I mean, that’s really giving him the keys to drive the entire offense. I don’t see him as a QB who can do that consistently while improving his completion % and having similar ypa and INT numbers from last year.
And I could even see it being a train wreck. I think they try to give him the same load with a defense that isn’t as good, which will show that he’s not nearly as good as many think.
Posted on 8/4/22 at 12:36 pm to ReauxlTide222
So you'd want to penalize an offense for capitalizing on short field position? Scoring a TD instead of getting stuffed and settling for a FG? Somehow that's a knock against Stetson? Explain this, articulate it please.
Edit to add:
YPA is YPA and QBR is QBR, regardless of your starting field position. I would even argue that YPA suffers in the red zone.
Edit to add:
YPA is YPA and QBR is QBR, regardless of your starting field position. I would even argue that YPA suffers in the red zone.
This post was edited on 8/4/22 at 12:39 pm
Posted on 8/4/22 at 12:40 pm to ReauxlTide222
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Ehhhh, something has to give, imo.
If he goes from 2,800 to 4,000 yards passing I see bad things coming with it. I mean, that’s really giving him the keys to drive the entire offense. I don’t see him as a QB who can do that consistently while improving his completion % and having similar ypa and INT numbers from last year.
And I could even see it being a train wreck. I think they try to give him the same load with a defense that isn’t as good, which will show that he’s not nearly as good as many think.
I think that he will definitely have some more turnovers - maybe even more than I projected there. On the flip side, he's going to have a lot of offensive weapons and a really good coordinator, plus the ultimate security blanket in Bowers (and the other tight ends for that matter).
On top of that - they won't play more than 1 or 2 (maybe?) teams that can effectively slow down their running game enough to make Stetson really have to beat them through the air when they are ready for him to. Most teams will be forced into single coverage to try and stop the run, and he can beat that.
Posted on 8/4/22 at 12:40 pm to deeprig9
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So you'd want to penalize an offense for capitalizing on short field position? Scoring a TD instead of getting stuffed and settling for a FG? Somehow that's a knock against Stetson? Explain this, articulate it please.
The irony is Bama's lone TD in the NCG.
Or the fact that Young got 25 passing TDs from the redzone in 2021 (off of the defensive pass rush from Anderson and Turner)
Posted on 8/4/22 at 12:43 pm to SummerOfGeorge
Georgia was definitely better, relative to the country, in short field situations than long field situations (and had a lot more of them). They were still pretty good in non-short field situations, though.
GEORGIA 2021 Points Per Drive - (National Rank)
- OSD (Short Starting Field Position) - 5.22 (#2)
- OMD (Middle Starting Field Position) - 3.03 (#9)
- OLD (Long Starting Field Position) - 2.75 (#7)
GEORGIA 2021 Points Per Drive - (National Rank)
- OSD (Short Starting Field Position) - 5.22 (#2)
- OMD (Middle Starting Field Position) - 3.03 (#9)
- OLD (Long Starting Field Position) - 2.75 (#7)
Posted on 8/4/22 at 1:40 pm to SummerOfGeorge
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GEORGIA 2021 Points Per Drive - (National Rank)
- OSD (Short Starting Field Position) - 5.22 (#2)
- OMD (Middle Starting Field Position) - 3.03 (#9)
- OLD (Long Starting Field Position) - 2.75 (#7)
Does this remove garbage time?
I appreciate the stat.
How does this compare to Bama, Tennessee, or Kentucky?
Posted on 8/4/22 at 1:45 pm to meansonny
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Does this remove garbage time?
I appreciate the stat.
How does this compare to Bama, Tennessee, or Kentucky?
Yes it does
Fremau Stats - PPD
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How does this compare to Bama, Tennessee, or Kentucky?
OSD (Short)
#2 Georgia
#12 Kentucky
#13 Alabama
#34 Tennessee
OMD (Medium)
#9 Georgia
#18 Kentucky
#20 Alabama
#25 Tennessee
OLD (Long)
#3 Alabama
#7 Georgia
#21 Tennessee
#23 Kentucky
Posted on 8/4/22 at 1:47 pm to SummerOfGeorge
i tried to bump the 60 page stetson thread today to remind everyone that he’s hitting 4k yards but it was anchored 
This post was edited on 8/4/22 at 1:48 pm
Posted on 8/4/22 at 1:48 pm to diddlydawg7
LOL is this one not that one?
Stet is a lightning rod
Stet is a lightning rod
Posted on 8/4/22 at 1:52 pm to SummerOfGeorge
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LOL is this one not that one?
Nope this one has 640+ replies l
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Stet is a lightning rod
He’s the Rant’s favorite topic. Everyone has an opinion on him. There’s some people who think he’s a heisman finalist and some that think he’s not even a Top 10 SEC QB.
Posted on 8/4/22 at 2:19 pm to SummerOfGeorge
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The fact that people are ranking Spencer Rattler - who played in the most QB stat friendly system on the planet and did not put up good stats - ahead of him is just silliness.
This is my feeling exactly. Rattler was rated higher and has a lot of tools, but there is so much more to it than arm talent. Reading the defenses, making sound decisions, leadership and on and on.
When discussing the top 5 you have to start with Bryce Young.
There will be so many unproven QBs and first year QBs in the league this year it would be hard for me to rank those ahead of Bennett...no matter where they were ranked. You really have to take perception out of it.
I can't think of 5 QBs in the SEC that has done more on the field than Bennett at this moment.
I mean we are not even certain who will be the QB at LSU, A&M, Missouri (?)...Levis is well thought of, but has he done more than Bennett? Rogers at MState? Not sure i would place him ahead of Bennett, but he looks ok. Richardson at Florida? He has not outplayed Bennett at all. Lots of talent, maybe, but has to show it.
I think Bennett would have to fit in the top 5 of the SEC, and it could be argued top 3.
Posted on 8/4/22 at 2:26 pm to ReauxlTide222
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If he goes from 2,800 to 4,000 yards passing I see bad things coming with it. I mean, that’s really giving him the keys to drive the entire offense. I don’t see him as a QB who can do that consistently while improving his completion % and having similar ypa and INT numbers from last year.
I don't see him getting to 4,000 yards, but I do think it is reasonable to expect more turnovers if he does go to 4,000 yards. I mean any time a QB throws the ball a lot more their INTs will go up, right? So yeah, that's reasonable. His history shows thta he has put the ball in jeopardy a bit, but last year he protected the ball much, much better, so I don't think it unreasonable to think he can protect the ball well this season, too.
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And I could even see it being a train wreck.
Is it possible? yes. But, I mean he outplayed Bryce Young in the title game, so is it possible Young could have a train wreck? His proven receivers are gone, and the OLine is still suspect. I would still give Young the benefit of the doubt and could easily say he is the best QB in the SEC, though.
Posted on 8/4/22 at 2:47 pm to deeprig9
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Why are you simping for the gimps?
This is easy.
Young won the Heisman, so he's automatically #1 by default.
Hooker and Stetson have similar metrics, hooker better on some and Stet better on others. Stet gets #2 because he got a ring and MVP honors in Orange and NC. Hooker a close #3.
I put Stetson above Hooker because of the big games.
But I can see a huge argument for Hooker's legs "breaking the tie" in the similarities in their 2021 seasons.
Stetson is mobile. But he isn't built for abuse. Both losses in 2020, he was winning until he took big shots and had to go to the sidelines.
I don't trust stet with a bruised shoulder/rib/etc.. that said,, all he does is prove me wrong about things.
This post was edited on 8/4/22 at 2:50 pm
Posted on 8/4/22 at 2:56 pm to deeprig9
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Why are you simping for the gimps?
Ok. I am old. I don't know what simping is.
quote:This is my thought, exactly.
Young won the Heisman, so he's automatically #1 by default.
quote:I can go along with this, as well.
Hooker and Stetson have similar metrics, hooker better on some and Stet better on others. Stet gets #2 because he got a ring and MVP honors in Orange and NC. Hooker a close #3.
quote:I'm confused. I said exactly this. Was simping a compliment or a bad thing?
#4 and #5 who cares. Is it KJ or Richards? Will Rattler break out? This is really the discussion part- who is #4 and #5. Because the top 3 are obvious, and Stetson is in it. Even if you want to put him at #3, he's still in the top five.
ETA
I should say I posted my response arguing for Bennett being in (at least top 5 and maybe top 3) before I read your "simping" post. I think you are reading into my positions before fully knowing what they are.
This post was edited on 8/4/22 at 3:03 pm
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