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re: Stanley McClover (recent interview)
Posted on 7/31/12 at 4:23 pm to therick711
Posted on 7/31/12 at 4:23 pm to therick711
Who you calling gay?
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Posted on 7/31/12 at 4:24 pm to piggidyphish
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Don't disagree with any of that, the beauty is though that i can parse it out and say that i don't believe cam was paid and auburn did not violate ncaa rules. I'm not going much beyond that because i don't have to.
I can respect that. Much like clients can tell folks they were found not guilty...even when the basis of their acquittal was that the state failed to meet their burden, not that innocence was proven.
Like I said, the defense of AU was a thing of beauty.
Posted on 7/31/12 at 4:24 pm to NorthGwinnettTiger
Calm down
Just this guy.
Just this guy.
Posted on 7/31/12 at 4:25 pm to NBamaAlum
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I can respect that. Much like clients can tell folks they were found not guilty...even when the basis of their acquittal was that the state failed to meet their burden, not that innocence was proven.
Is there a way for any school to prove their innocence from pay-for-play allegations?
Posted on 7/31/12 at 4:26 pm to joeyb147
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Pat Sims & Junior Rosegreen were from the same fricking high school as this clown
and james bostic, brian robinson, and frank sanders... we've been recruiting dillard for YEARS... as well as the rest of ft. lauderdale (josh bynes).
Posted on 7/31/12 at 4:26 pm to NorthGwinnettTiger
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Is there a way for any school to prove their innocence from pay-for-play allegations?
Push someone up a staircase or a lie detector with the Redfish guy. Only two ways available.
Posted on 7/31/12 at 4:26 pm to NorthGwinnettTiger
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Is there a way for any school to prove their innocence from pay-for-play allegations?
As you are getting at (but needs to be explained for those that will come after you who don't get it), you can't prove a negative, which is why you are presumed innocent. So we should probably shut down that line of thinking.
Posted on 7/31/12 at 4:27 pm to NBamaAlum
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At some point, just admit that the individuals representing AU in the matter were worth well more than they were paid..
The loophole was worked to perfection. It was a thing of beauty.
Exactly. The thread wasn't started to suggest that Auburn is in trouble or an investigation is pending. That ship has sailed. What the article is is an extremely rare case of a former player flat out admitting in a very public way to getting paid by the school he attended. It's even more noteworthy for the fact that the former player flat out admits that money was the reason he didn't go with his heart (Ohio State) but followed the money to Auburn instead.
Of all the rants Auburn fans like to go on about the REC and all of Alabama's cheating, we have only had one multiple year letterman actually admit to being paid by Alabama and that's Gene Jelks and we actually paid for it with probation. Yet many Auburn fans complain about Alabama getting away with cheating when we actually get busted for cheating when our former player ratted us out. Auburn doesn't even receive a PLOI when they have at least 4 recently graduated players go on HBO and admit to getting paid at Auburn.
Posted on 7/31/12 at 4:29 pm to Govt Tide
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Of all the rants Auburn fans like to go on about the REC and all of Alabama's cheating, we have only had one multiple year letterman actually admit to being paid by Alabama and that's Gene Jelks and we actually paid for it with probation.
That's like saying that even though someone accuses you credibly of continually beating your wife, outside observers should take note that you only admit to doing it once and you did your time with respect to that one time. It is rare for someone to come forward who is being paid, so this isn't a surpise.
This post was edited on 7/31/12 at 4:32 pm
Posted on 7/31/12 at 4:31 pm to Govt Tide
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Of all the rants Auburn fans like to go on about the REC and all of Alabama's cheating,
where have you read this?
Posted on 7/31/12 at 4:32 pm to NBamaAlum
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I can respect that. Much like clients can tell folks they were found not guilty...even when the basis of their acquittal was that the state failed to meet their burden, not that innocence was proven.
Like I said, the defense of AU was a thing of beauty.
Agreed.
At some point, I stopped flaming Auburn for being cheaters and just decided to recognize their mad skills.
It's like watching a real life version of The Sopranos.
High quality entertainment.
Posted on 7/31/12 at 4:33 pm to piggidyphish
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Of all the rants Auburn fans like to go on about the REC and all of Alabama's cheating,
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where have you read this?
bamamag poster hanging out on itat
Posted on 7/31/12 at 4:34 pm to therick711
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I have no dog in this fight. I just want to point out that your rationalization is that Cam didn't get paid because he said he didn't. You don't believe McClover got paid because, even though he says he did, you don't find him credible.
I've reread my post twice and I have yet to see where I mentioned Cam Newton.
But since you brought it up, I have no idea if he received payment from Auburn. All I know, is that the NCAA found no evidence of pay for play and Cam Newton has maintained he never received a dime from Auburn. You're right that I am inclined to believe him because I am an Auburn fan but I also have a very thorough investigation on my side.
Frankly, I think it is entirely possible that Cam knew about his father's solicitation and is lying about it. But it is also plausible that Cam didn't know what his father was up to.
Anyone who thinks a father can't keep a secret from his son or from the rest of his family has obviously never heard of an affair.
Posted on 7/31/12 at 4:35 pm to weagle99
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Why was he paid but Cadillac, Ronnie Brown, etc. were not? Did his dreads make him more valuable?
Why was an overweight, lazy defensive lineman like Albert Means paid, but not a guy like Jarrett Johnson who's been in the NFL for 10 years?
Posted on 7/31/12 at 4:35 pm to highway59
My favorite part of this whole "new" story...
Now this is what he said just over a year ago...
Why didn't he feel that he owed OSU anything after taking money and girls on his visit up there?
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I felt like I owe the school, like I sold my soul for taking that money. It was one of those things where I committed to Ohio State University and word got to Auburn, and I don’t know how the news got to Auburn so quick, but when they find out that I committed to Ohio State, they offered me money and I took it.”
Now this is what he said just over a year ago...
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McClover told Andrea Kremer that during his official visit to OSU, he received money handskakes from alumni of about $1,000. "They send girls my way. I partied," McClover told Kremer. "When I got there, I met up with a couple guys from the team. We went to a party and they asked me to pick any girl I wanted." Kremer asked McClover if they offered sexual services. "Yes," he answered. Did you take them, she asked. "Yes," he said again. McClover committed to Ohio State right after that weekend.
Why didn't he feel that he owed OSU anything after taking money and girls on his visit up there?
This post was edited on 7/31/12 at 4:36 pm
Posted on 7/31/12 at 4:35 pm to joeyb147
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Pat Sims & Junior Rosegreen were from the same fricking high school as this clown.
That's awesome.
Posted on 7/31/12 at 4:36 pm to NBamaAlum
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Push someone up a staircase
Remember to hand them a bowl of salad before doing so.
:rimshot:
Posted on 7/31/12 at 4:36 pm to NorthGwinnettTiger
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I don't believe McClover because multiple teammates said he never once mentioned to them that he was getting paid, and that he was always broke as a joke.
Nothing to do with McClover, but I know rich ppl that act broke. They'll have plenty of money but will still try to mooch off others / get something for nothing. Tight wads just to be tight wads.
Posted on 7/31/12 at 4:36 pm to therick711
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That's like saying they even though someone accuses you credibly of continually beating your wife, outside observers should take note that you only admit to doing it once and you did your time with respect to that one time. It is rare for someone to come forward who is being paid, so this isn't a surpise.
You're missing the point. I'm saying that many Auburn fans like to pretend that Alabama is THE (as in singular) school in the state that pays players and gets away with it while they are above all that nonsense. When the fact that they also had a player Eric Ramsey rat them out like an Alabama player did to Alabama and both got schools got busted AND they have recent former player admitting to receiving money, it might be time to give up claiming the moral high ground and admit your school is no less dirty. That's the point I was trying to make.
Posted on 7/31/12 at 4:36 pm to wdeinttown
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Cam Newton has maintained he never received a dime from Auburn.
And bingo. You reiterated your logical flaw in the post you made explaining you didn't see your logical flaw in the original post.
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