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Posted on 5/8/19 at 11:53 am to elposter
quote:This is a point that I've tried to drive home for years. Auburn/Gus has recruited better than any other time in their history. But damned if Gus doesn't find a way land his team outside the top 10 rankings more times than not. He's not allowing that talent to show their full potential, or else he's done a shitty job of managing his roster. The talent is there, the fan support is there, the facilities are there.
Third - you are way overstating Auburn's supposed lack of talent. Auburn consistently has top 10 talent in college football. While that talent might not translate has much to the NFL game (partly because of the Gus's system by the way), for the college game Auburn consistently is one of the most talented teams in the country. There is no need for you to denigrate your own team's players' talent to try and prop up Gus or disparage Saban.
Posted on 5/8/19 at 11:53 am to RT1941
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I don't know what Kirby has to do with the path you've taken this thread, but for you to totally ignore the job Nick Saban has done in the last 12 yrs and chalk it all up to "recruiting" in this conference/division is asinine.
Saban doesn't just recruit players and funnel them straight to the early rounds of the NFL draft. You ignore the massive amount of player development, roster management, ego & attitude management and staff management to be able to sustain his level of success. Not to mention Saban's ability to adjust with the changing times and his willingness to change and evolve as needed.
He has been able to recruit and he does a great job of roster management. I have said for years that the early success for Saban at Bama was due to processing players and oversigning classes. It created a 25% advantage over other programs who wouldn't do it. Of course Saban has some player development, but the number of quality recruits have been the reason for his success and the success in the NFL Draft. Now GMs are drafting his players not based on numbers, but based on the perception of the program. Some of these players look better than they are because they a surround by other good players.
Posted on 5/8/19 at 11:55 am to Irons Puppet
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I have said for years that the early success for Saban at Bama was due to processing players and oversigning classes.
Saban went 26-2 in 2008-2009 with a bunch of gritty arse Shula 3-stars and freshmen from his first great class, including beating deeper and more talented rosters at Florida (by far), Georgia and LSU (2x).
Labeling those 2 seasons as anything other than fantastic coaching and development is laughable.
This post was edited on 5/8/19 at 11:58 am
Posted on 5/8/19 at 11:58 am to SummerOfGeorge
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We had 2-3 different shots to take a 2 score lead and put Auburns specific offense in a super uncomfortable position and we got stopped on downs, had the hold/missed FG and I think missed another FG.
At that point Gus could still comfortably run RPO stuff and have everything available the last drive. If we score one of those times the run option basically has to scrapped.
But we didn't, and Auburn made plays. It happens.
AU had Bama on its heels and let a 99 yard TD pass change the momentum. It was part of the ebb and flow of a great game. Sure there a plays you can say what if, but that is what most close game come down to.
Posted on 5/8/19 at 11:58 am to Irons Puppet
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that is what most close game come down to.
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But we didn't, and Auburn made plays. It happens.
Uhhu
We had 3 drives to the Auburn 16, 13 and 17 in the 4th qtr. We got 0 pts. Ain't gonna win many road games against good teams like that.
This post was edited on 5/8/19 at 12:01 pm
Posted on 5/8/19 at 12:02 pm to Irons Puppet
quote:Still no mention of the heights Gus has taken the to 10 talent he's been bringing to Auburn?
Irons Puppet
We know Saban can evaluate talent, and he has put a system in place to train, develop, and allow that talent to shine on the field. His ability to manage the ego's of a shite load of 4-5*'s as they constantly they pass through his program while he also manages the heavy staff turnover proves the man knows how to do more than just recruit.
Posted on 5/8/19 at 12:03 pm to SummerOfGeorge
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I have said for years that the early success for Saban at Bama was due to processing players and oversigning classes.
Saban went 26-2 in 2008-2009 with a bunch of gritty arse Shula 3-stars and freshmen from his first great class, including beating deeper and more talented rosters at Florida (by far), Georgia and LSU (2x).
Labeling those 2 seasons as anything other than fantastic coaching and development is laughable.
To deny the effects of Saban culling his roster those early years is laughable. By processing 5-10 players and signing 30 recruits a year, he was able to build the roster a lot quicker than other programs. Nothing illegal about it, just a little sleazy.
Posted on 5/8/19 at 12:04 pm to SummerOfGeorge
If Puppets can dog cuss Ellis Johnson for wasting a 695 yard offensive effort then I'll dog cuss our kicking game for wasting a game on the road where we out gained the opponent by 100 yards and won the turnover battle.
Frickin kickers.
Frickin kickers.
Posted on 5/8/19 at 12:09 pm to Irons Puppet
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To deny the effects of Saban culling his roster those early years is laughable. By processing 5-10 players and signing 30 recruits a year, he was able to build the roster a lot quicker than other programs. Nothing illegal about it, just a little sleazy.
Our starting lineup in 2008 was 16/22 guys from Shula recruiting classes.
2007-2008 recruiting class size
AUBURN : 57 (2007:27, 2008:30)
ALABAMA : 57 (2007:25, 2008:32)
Weird
This post was edited on 5/8/19 at 12:11 pm
Posted on 5/8/19 at 12:12 pm to Irons Puppet
quote:You're wrong IP.
To deny the effects of Saban culling his roster those early years is laughable. By processing 5-10 players and signing 30 recruits a year, he was able to build the roster a lot quicker than other programs. Nothing illegal about it, just a little sleazy.
But by all means, cherish and praise those "Auburn Men" that were steering the AU ship at the time and would never lower themselves to the sleazy side of roster management.
I can't remember, was it Tommy/Gene or Gus that went public that AU offering "4 yr guaranteed" scholarships, in an effort to thwart Saban's "culling"?
This post was edited on 5/8/19 at 12:16 pm
Posted on 5/8/19 at 12:13 pm to SummerOfGeorge
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To deny the effects of Saban culling his roster those early years is laughable. By processing 5-10 players and signing 30 recruits a year, he was able to build the roster a lot quicker than other programs. Nothing illegal about it, just a little sleazy.
Total Signees 2007-2010
AUBURN : 116
ALABAMA : 109
Weird - with that level of sleazy roster building its easy to see how 2010 happened I guess. Not illegal, just disappointing.
This post was edited on 5/8/19 at 12:14 pm
Posted on 5/8/19 at 12:16 pm to SummerOfGeorge
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Weird - with that level of sleazy roster building its easy to see how 2010 happened I guess.
Facts suck
Houston Nutt loved to oversign. Would be interesting to see his later years at Arkansas and Ole Miss. Seems like he would have classes of around 35 players a few different times.
Posted on 5/8/19 at 12:16 pm to SummerOfGeorge
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Total Signees 2007-2010
AUBURN : 116
ALABAMA : 109
Weird - with that level of sleazy roster building its easy to see how 2010 happened I guess. Not illegal, just disappointing.
Posted on 5/8/19 at 12:17 pm to rockiee
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Houston Nutt loved to oversign. Would be interesting to see his later years at Arkansas and Ole Miss. Seems like he would have classes of around 35 players a few different times.
Nutt was the true oversigning poster boy. He had one class of like 40 didn't he?
Saban and the SEC were the target because of the winning, but when it came to it Nutts classes were always the "CAN YOU BELIEVE THIS" final dagger LOL.
Edit : His 2009 class at Ole Miss had 38 commits
This post was edited on 5/8/19 at 12:19 pm
Posted on 5/8/19 at 12:18 pm to rockiee
quote:It was Nutt that forced the damn cap the SEC has now (from 28/yr to 25/yr.)
Facts suck
Houston Nutt loved to oversign. Would be interesting to see his later years at Arkansas and Ole Miss. Seems like he would have classes of around 35 players a few different times.
Why deny 40+ kids the opportunity to get a full ride on an SEC team?
Posted on 5/8/19 at 12:21 pm to SummerOfGeorge
I know you are not in denial in this matter. You understand how many player left the program due to the coaching change at Auburn. AU still never filled those 85 scholarships those years ( not including walk-one). Big difference than running off players to keep under the 85 rule and sign 30+ recruits in a class. I give you more credit than that.
Posted on 5/8/19 at 12:22 pm to Irons Puppet
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You understand how many player left the program due to the coaching change at Auburn.
Wait, so at Auburn trimming the former coaches roster is called kids "voluntarily leaving" and is a problem for the new coach. At Alabama its called "culling the roster" and is the coach cutting players and telling them to GTFO?
That's a fun way to look at it without any bias or agenda.
This post was edited on 5/8/19 at 12:24 pm
Posted on 5/8/19 at 12:36 pm to SummerOfGeorge
quote:Signees =/= Enrollees, bro
Total Signees 2007-2010
AUBURN : 116
ALABAMA : 109
I argued with Alahunter until I was blue in the face on the same issue.
What would the numbers look like if you take out the non-qualifiers? Auburn had a ton in 2007 and 2008.
Posted on 5/8/19 at 12:41 pm to SummerOfGeorge
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Nutt was the true oversigning poster boy.
Yep and he was underwhelming in general for how much he tried to take advantage of it. Although doing it at Ole Miss and Arkansas is much different than schools with better prestige.
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