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re: (Spinoff) tBig 7: Should Aggies Big 12 Title be Considered?

Posted on 6/12/13 at 11:29 am to
Posted by USMC Gators
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Posted on 6/12/13 at 11:29 am to
Top four in hardware.
Posted by Tiger Live2
Westwego, LA
Member since Mar 2012
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Posted on 6/12/13 at 11:33 am to
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If two of these schools had any real power they wouldnt have to play eachother each year

Not shiny enough, swims away.
Posted by roadGator
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Posted on 6/12/13 at 11:36 am to
One of those schools wants to play the other though.
Posted by CGSC Lobotomy
Member since Sep 2011
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Posted on 6/12/13 at 11:49 am to
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Laugh now but if anybody is motivated by the sucess of the Aggies it's UT and Mack Brown days are numbered if he continues to underachieve while Sumlin and the Aggies ascend.

Texas is in an easier conference with a better name and like Notre Dame and Bama will be given all the help they need to succeed. Aggies will need to accomplish more than 5th in the SEC and a Cotton Bowl win to hold them off in the state of Texas for long


You're clearly not familiar with history. Let me refresh your memory:

Fred Akers coached Texas from 1977-1986. During his tenure, Texas could have won the national title in the 1977 and 1983 seasons, but lost to Notre Dame and Georgia in the Cotton Bowls at the end of those seasons. They won the SWC twice and had a bowl record of 2-4 during that time.

Following the 1983 season, Akers went 20-14-1 between 1984-1986, including losing to A&M by an average of 23 points in those three years and having Texas' first losing season in 30 years in 1986.

After Akers, Texas hired David McWilliams, who went 31-26 from 1987-1991, winning the SWC in 1990, but only having 2 winning seasons, including going 1-4 against A&M.

After McWilliams, Texas hired John Mackovic, who went 41-28-2 and won 2 conference titles (1995, 1996 - 1994 doesn't count because A&M was ineligble...a 5-way tie for 1st doesn't cut it). He went 2-5 against A&M and his last season was well known for "route 66", in which #10 Texas lost to UCLA at home 66-3.

Let me put it to you this way. Mack Brown = Fred Akers.

After Texas fired Akers, they went through 3 coaches over 12 years before they got the right one.
Posted by WhiskeyBent
Member since Jul 2007
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Posted on 6/12/13 at 1:12 pm to
A&M's clock has to start running this year. Otherwise the SWC titles count.

The thing about this year is that 3rd in the conference in #5 in Nation. Under that theory Bama gets no credit for winning the 2011 Natty, because did not even make championship. To get through the SEC and finish #5 nationally should count at least as a big 6 year. It cant only be about SEC Championships.

So If Bamas 2011 Natty = only 2rd in SECwest, 3rd in Conference then their Natty carries no weight nere. That cant be.


Likewise - A&M = #5 in Nation which equals #5 in SEC.

It cant be both ways. Bama is 1 in Nation or 3rd in SEC for 2011.

LIkewise A&M is #5 in Nation rather than 5th in the SEC

This puts A&M only behind Bama and Georgia. for year 1.

So how do you work that?
Posted by USMC Gators
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Posted on 6/12/13 at 1:21 pm to
Posted by KaiserSoze99
Member since Aug 2011
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Posted on 6/12/13 at 1:23 pm to
We make up categories of greatness to fill the jizz jars.
Posted by WhiskeyBent
Member since Jul 2007
1132 posts
Posted on 6/12/13 at 1:33 pm to
Gator - that is one of my favorite Gifs - but if you cant follow the flawless logic there I hope you didnt attend Fla.

Its an Easy and Basic Question. Do you go by only SEC finish for a seasons judgment or do you go by National Ranking?

So in year One A&M is 3rd in the SEC if we use National and Bama is #1 in 2011

If we use SEC - A&M is fifth in year one and Bama was 3rd in 2011.

You can gif all you want - thats how it is campers.
Posted by cyde
He gone
Member since Nov 2005
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Posted on 6/12/13 at 1:34 pm to
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Otherwise the SWC titles count.

For the sake of tBig 6 discussion they don't count. Period. Ever.
Posted by skrayper
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Member since Nov 2012
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Posted on 6/12/13 at 1:37 pm to
Awful lot of trash talking from a school with their first 10+ win season in... how long?
Posted by USMC Gators
Member since Oct 2011
14633 posts
Posted on 6/12/13 at 1:39 pm to
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Gator - that is one of my favorite Gifs - but if you cant follow the flawless logic there I hope you didnt attend Fla.

Its an Easy and Basic Question. Do you go by only SEC finish for a seasons judgment or do you go by National Ranking?

So in year One A&M is 3rd in the SEC if we use National and Bama is #1 in 2011

If we use SEC - A&M is fifth in year one and Bama was 3rd in 2011.

You can gif all you want - thats how it is campers.

SEC records and standings happened on the field.
The BCS championship was decided on the field.
Final rankings are just pure opinion (s). The AP and Coaches polls aren't/weren't/won't ever be systems that everyone agrees to.
It shouldn't be hard to comprehend.

Edit: And UG wasn't ahead of Alabama in 2011.
This post was edited on 6/12/13 at 1:41 pm
Posted by WhiskeyBent
Member since Jul 2007
1132 posts
Posted on 6/12/13 at 1:41 pm to
Nice No Answer. Are BCS rankings used or SEC Rankings for Club entry log book.
Posted by USMC Gators
Member since Oct 2011
14633 posts
Posted on 6/12/13 at 1:42 pm to
Just the facts.
Posted by parkjas2001
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Member since Feb 2010
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Posted on 6/12/13 at 1:50 pm to
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SWC titles count


Congrats on being in the SWC Big 6!
Posted by WestCoastAg
Member since Oct 2012
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Posted on 6/12/13 at 1:50 pm to
Wow this thread is still going
Posted by parkjas2001
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Posted on 6/12/13 at 1:52 pm to
Lots of stupid aggies thumpin thier chests.
Posted by Crompdaddy8
Jimmy Rustler
Member since Nov 2009
10569 posts
Posted on 6/12/13 at 1:53 pm to
Akry is 41-24-3 against A&M. application denied for Arky's bitch
Posted by cyde
He gone
Member since Nov 2005
31877 posts
Posted on 6/12/13 at 1:54 pm to
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Lots of stupid aggies thumpin thier chests.

Just the assholes from TexAgs and the trolls. Reasonable Ags have already chimed in.
Posted by jbond
Atlanta
Member since Jun 2012
4975 posts
Posted on 6/12/13 at 1:56 pm to
He just can't be reasoned with. Already explained to him that Big6-hood is about historical dominance in the SEC and he keeps bringing up SWC titles and a single good season they've had recently. He's clearly just trolling at this point.
Posted by undecided
Member since May 2012
15492 posts
Posted on 6/12/13 at 2:04 pm to
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Nice No Answer. Are BCS rankings used or SEC Rankings for Club entry log book.

NC titles count but SEC titles hold most weight as the BG6 was based upon the most dominant Programs in the SEC when determining divisions during the 92 expansion

1-2 good years in addition to titles from a conference that no longer exist does not compute under this criteria
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