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re: South Carolina WR Juice Wells entering transfer portal
Posted on 11/30/23 at 10:23 am to Saskwatch
Posted on 11/30/23 at 10:23 am to Saskwatch
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And you never get the kid
That'd be a better result. He wasted NIL funds and a roster spot.
I guess it's telling that if it takes extra incentives beyond NIL funds agreed to on outset for a player to actually play then it'd be best if he wasn't on the team.
I swear. People on here need to take a basic economics class.
How many college football teams want to be the best?
Honestly. Give me a number.
In order to be the best, you need the best players.
How many football teams are competing over the same players?
Only one team wins each player. Literally, 100% of the players bought are "overpaid".
You. Cannot. Avoid. It.
Not if you are one of the college teams that wants to be the best (there can only be 1 every year).
UGA and Bama have figured out the secret.
You cannot overpay for 22 starting positions.
So you don't even bid on those players unless you are backed in a corner (i.e. recruiting misses the previous 2 classes).
Bama and Georgia spend "the bid money" on player retention.
Stetson Bennett won a natty? Pay him like a Natty winner for year 2.
Nolan Smith has developed into a future 1st rounder. Pay him like a future 1st rounder for his junior year.
How does this info help Scar? It doesn't.
You can't sell NFL contracts the way that Bama and UGA can.
If you want to be the best, you have to go the Texas route. The A&M route. And hope that you have the coaching staff who can make lemonade out of lemons in year 3 (note: jimbo only got 2 years before he got canned).
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Posted on 11/30/23 at 10:32 am to meansonny
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People on here need to take a basic economics class.
You're arguing that it's better to pay Player A for a year where he voluntarily does not play rather than pay for another Player who might contribute on the field. If NIL dollars aren't spent toward production then yes that is the definition of waste. Basic Economics.
How dumb is your logic
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Only one team wins each player. Literally, 100% of the players bought are "overpaid".
You. Cannot. Avoid. It.
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UGA and Bama have figured out the secret.
You cannot overpay for 22 starting positions.
All players are bought now. So by your logic all 22 players are overpaid whether they be on Bama, GA., or any other team
Posted on 11/30/23 at 10:33 am to CarolinaGamecock99
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Dude stole nearly 1 million from us
This is the type of stuff that will demotivate contributors from giving money. Especially if it’s at a school with a shaky NIL base already (not saying this is USCe, but in general).
There needs to be some guidelines for the portal and NIL to level the playing field.
Posted on 11/30/23 at 10:35 am to BevoBucks
quote:Correct.
It’s a 1099 independent contractor sport.
And add to that mixture eighteen year olds and the unreasonable expectations of their parents. It is a disaster waiting to happen.
Posted on 11/30/23 at 10:35 am to Wolfhound45
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NIL is creating a mercenary culture in CFB.
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creating
It already has created it.
Posted on 11/30/23 at 10:45 am to Saskwatch
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People on here need to take a basic economics class.
You're arguing that it's better to pay Player A for a year where he voluntarily does not play rather than pay for another Player who might contribute on the field.
My argument:
You are the old man arguing at the clouds.
You are the communist college student asking how CEOs get golden parachutes without the basic understanding that I laid out when striving to be the "best" in the obviously limited market of competing to hire the best.
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All players are bought now. So by your logic all 22 players are overpaid whether they be on Bama, GA., or any other team
UGA and Bama are not bidding on players who are selling their services to the highest bidder.
You can't overpay the market when you never step foot in that marketplace.
UGA and Bama have a scale. Just like the NFL teams and the draft. The second a recruit takes their scale to another school to up the offer, Bama and UGA are stepping away from that recruit until that recruit steps back to the "scale".
There are exceptions. But they are literal one offs (UGA upped a bid on a few players this class. But I still don't think we landed the highest bid. But it is rare to even see us in that game).
Posted on 11/30/23 at 10:46 am to Partha
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It already has created it.
Posted on 11/30/23 at 10:48 am to CarolinaGamecock99
Headed to Texas. Hopefully his screw in his foot breaks again.
Posted on 11/30/23 at 10:48 am to Wolfhound45
It's really cool that we as the fans are now expected to also pay for the players. Meanwhile the coaches get 20 million dollar buyouts for going 5-7 with the players we bought.
Posted on 11/30/23 at 10:48 am to Saskwatch
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UGA and Bama have figured out the secret.
You cannot overpay for 22 starting positions.
All players are bought now. So by your logic all 22 players are overpaid whether they be on Bama, GA., or any other team
UGA (and Bama I presume) are in the retention market.
When players who have proven the ability to be coached and play well, they are getting bids from competing schools. UGA (and Bama I presume) will match the offers (overpay) that they choose to match.
Occasionally, you will see a UGA wide receiver or DL leave. The players' attitude can impact the willingness to be the top bidder.
Do you want to reward shitty attitude? Even for a talented player? Or let him walk and kill his NFL development elsewhere?
Posted on 11/30/23 at 10:49 am to gatordmb89
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Especially if it’s at a school with a shaky NIL base already (not saying this is USCe, but in general).
It's absolutely South Carolina. Our fans have been more anti-NIL than most because of our terrible football history. This just further confirms that negative viewpoint, and for good reason because Juice Wells literally robbed us this year.
Posted on 11/30/23 at 10:50 am to Eric Nies Grind Time
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It's really cool that we as the fans are now expected to also pay for the players. Meanwhile the coaches get 20 million dollar buyouts for going 5-7 with the players we bought.
Posted on 11/30/23 at 10:53 am to CarolinaGamecock99
quote:Not entirely relevant to this post, but I just love this SEC Shorts about being a USCe fan
South Carolina WR Juice Wells entering transfer portal
SEC Shorts - A South Carolina fan is the scariest 2020 Halloween costume
Posted on 11/30/23 at 10:53 am to Wolfhound45
I am ready for the first open bidding war on Twitter.
Posted on 11/30/23 at 11:00 am to meansonny
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UGA and Bama are not bidding on players who are selling their services to the highest bidder.
Posted on 11/30/23 at 11:04 am to MetryMauler
Yeah.
Because we are paying a crap ton to our upperclass defensive line who is not as good as 2022 and 2021.
We are paying a crap ton to our wide receivers (who are almost all upper classmen and who are better as a group than our 2022 and 2021 squad).
I could go on and on about other position groups.
I would hope that you get the point.
We have a competitive collective that pays all players a lot of money. Note: all players.
But the significant money is coming in years 2 and 3. I don't know how many ways I can say the word retention.
Because we are paying a crap ton to our upperclass defensive line who is not as good as 2022 and 2021.
We are paying a crap ton to our wide receivers (who are almost all upper classmen and who are better as a group than our 2022 and 2021 squad).
I could go on and on about other position groups.
I would hope that you get the point.
We have a competitive collective that pays all players a lot of money. Note: all players.
But the significant money is coming in years 2 and 3. I don't know how many ways I can say the word retention.
This post was edited on 11/30/23 at 11:05 am
Posted on 11/30/23 at 11:07 am to meansonny
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Yeah.
Because we are paying a crap ton to our upperclass defensive line who is not as good as 2022 and 2021.
We are paying a crap ton to our wide receivers (who are almost all upper classmen and who are better as a group than our 2022 and 2021 squad).
I could go on and on about other position groups.
I would hope that you get the point.
We have a competitive collective that pays all players a lot of money. Note: all players.
But the significant money is coming in years 2 and 3. I don't know how many ways I can say the word retention.
Have a link to the spreadsheet of what all the players are receiving?
Posted on 11/30/23 at 11:13 am to meansonny
Georgia NIL money
This list shows that a third of Georgia's top 21 NIL earners are freshmen, and an 8th was Smoke Bouie (transfer). If this is accurate, your entire premise is bullshite.
This list shows that a third of Georgia's top 21 NIL earners are freshmen, and an 8th was Smoke Bouie (transfer). If this is accurate, your entire premise is bullshite.
Posted on 11/30/23 at 11:14 am to MetryMauler
No.
I'd guess that the collective is paying about $7k per month for 10 months on the year.
On the team, that's what you are getting.
I'd guess top recruits NIL $50k to $150k based on their position.
That is the sales pitch to kids.
You will be coached harder than anywhere else in the country.
You will be prepared to make your best effort to make NFL money.
And you will be more comfortable financially than you have ever been in your life.
But the big payouts go to the best players. You have to earn it. And if you are working your way to the NFL, you will. We rotate players who are ready to play more than any other SEC team (it is how we build depth for Dec/Jan. It is how we reload after the NFL draft).
If you want the highest bidder out of high school, we are not your college.
We are the key to your best opportunity for the NFL though.
Retention bids probably average 6 figures.
Top players (Brock Bowers, Stetson, etc..) hit 7 figures.
I'd guess that the collective is paying about $7k per month for 10 months on the year.
On the team, that's what you are getting.
I'd guess top recruits NIL $50k to $150k based on their position.
That is the sales pitch to kids.
You will be coached harder than anywhere else in the country.
You will be prepared to make your best effort to make NFL money.
And you will be more comfortable financially than you have ever been in your life.
But the big payouts go to the best players. You have to earn it. And if you are working your way to the NFL, you will. We rotate players who are ready to play more than any other SEC team (it is how we build depth for Dec/Jan. It is how we reload after the NFL draft).
If you want the highest bidder out of high school, we are not your college.
We are the key to your best opportunity for the NFL though.
Retention bids probably average 6 figures.
Top players (Brock Bowers, Stetson, etc..) hit 7 figures.
Posted on 11/30/23 at 11:16 am to MetryMauler
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If this is accurate, your entire premise is bullshite.
You realize that their chart is an "appraisal" of value.
If a player is not getting top bid out of high school, why do you think an "appraisal" of value is what they are making.
You couldn't provide a worse link to actual numbers.
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