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re: S.O.S. and "Resumes" Are Complete BS
Posted on 12/7/11 at 8:24 pm to TideWarrior
Posted on 12/7/11 at 8:24 pm to TideWarrior
The problem with SOS is the bias in it. It is based on how teams are ranked, even more so the top end of the rankings. Those rankings are manipulated so that when teams match up the ratings are higher. The netweorks push for this to get more vieweres which equals more money. No brainer and a very good business model to work with.
The advantage for that goes to the Big 12. Since they get to play everyone in their conference they each play every team that is ranked in that conference. Meaning teams like OU who was not a top 10 team last week, but stayed there because all of the hype not only for bedlam but because the BCS mess. The voting was manipulated to get great ratings. If they were ranked 20th most people would not have watch the game because the value of the win for OSU would not have helped that much.
SEC teams do not get that advantage because of the 2 divisions and rotating cross games. Yes if UA would have played USC and/or UGA it woul dhave helped the debate. But they did not. But go back and look at some of the highest tv ratings for games this year between top rated teams. Look where the teams were the weeks leading up to the game and see how far they jump in the rankings heading into the game. Again because of ratings.
The advantage for that goes to the Big 12. Since they get to play everyone in their conference they each play every team that is ranked in that conference. Meaning teams like OU who was not a top 10 team last week, but stayed there because all of the hype not only for bedlam but because the BCS mess. The voting was manipulated to get great ratings. If they were ranked 20th most people would not have watch the game because the value of the win for OSU would not have helped that much.
SEC teams do not get that advantage because of the 2 divisions and rotating cross games. Yes if UA would have played USC and/or UGA it woul dhave helped the debate. But they did not. But go back and look at some of the highest tv ratings for games this year between top rated teams. Look where the teams were the weeks leading up to the game and see how far they jump in the rankings heading into the game. Again because of ratings.
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Posted on 12/7/11 at 8:26 pm to Louie T
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So you think there's a serious chance Bama would get crushed by West Virginia this year.
No not at all, but I will also not compare WVU to Tulsa or La-Laf. Not in the same league.
Posted on 12/7/11 at 8:26 pm to TideWarrior
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No not at all
Why not?
Posted on 12/7/11 at 8:27 pm to TideWarrior
quote:The polls are thankfully bias-free and pure, not like those corrupt calculations and THEIR SHIFTY MATH
The problem with SOS is the bias in it.
Posted on 12/7/11 at 8:27 pm to TideWarrior
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The voting was manipulated to get great ratings
I dont think bama has any room to complain about voter manipulation
Posted on 12/7/11 at 8:28 pm to TideWarrior
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Yeah but what some fail to realize is OSU is claiming wins for their resume against La-Laf and Tulsa. No offense but they are not world beaters. GSU could probably beat both, but no one gives them credit because they are DI-AA. UM thought the same thing about App State.
Also they claim victories over Mizzou and Texas, both 7-5 teams. The only ranked team either beat was Mizzou beating Texas. Yes maybe their record of 7-5 is better than UF or MSU record of 6-6, but lets look at who UF and MSU played. MSU 6 losses were against every ranked SEC team in the BCS, including 4 that are currently ranked in the top 10. You think Mizzou or Texas would be be 7-5 if they had to play LSU, UA, Ark, UGA, AU, and USC. Neither team would be bowl bound IMO. UF has 5 losses against those teams.
So now those 7 wins for OSu over teams with winning records, lets not forget FBS teams like it matters, but 2 are cupcakes for a power conference(freebees) and the other 2 are no better than 6-6 MSU or UF.
Their resume is as overblown as a janitor listing his job on a resume as a sanitation engineer
I won't argue much of this. You make some good points. I disagree in some places, but overall you are right.
Posted on 12/7/11 at 8:28 pm to RollTideRockStar
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S.O.S. and "Resumes" Are Complete BS
...says the bama fan
I don't think anyone can make the case that OSU is better than bama. But conversely, nobody can reasonably make the case that bamas SOS and resume are better than OSUs.
Posted on 12/7/11 at 8:29 pm to NewGuy01
Because IMO opinion WVU was very over rated. I agree like many in the nation that the Big East did not deserve an automatic bid, another flaw in the BCS, again based on money.
If LSU played GSU would you be worried that GSU would beat LSU?
If LSU played GSU would you be worried that GSU would beat LSU?
Posted on 12/7/11 at 8:30 pm to LSUChicageaux
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The polls are thankfully bias-free and pure, not like those corrupt calculations and THEIR SHIFTY MATH
Posted on 12/7/11 at 8:30 pm to Indfanfromcol
I understand what you're saying. But to go against what you asked me to do 6-6 isn't avg. That sucks. And the big thing we disagree on is the CCG. I put ZERO credit in winning a conference without winning a CCG.
Posted on 12/7/11 at 8:30 pm to TideWarrior
quote:Not in the least
If LSU played GSU would you be worried that GSU would beat LSU?
Posted on 12/7/11 at 8:31 pm to TideWarrior
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Because IMO opinion WVU was very over rated. I agree like many in the nation that the Big East did not deserve an automatic bid
And what, pray tell, is this opinion formulated upon?
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If LSU played GSU would you be worried that GSU would beat LSU?
I would not be. Would you like me to tell you why?
Posted on 12/7/11 at 8:31 pm to Adam Banks
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I dont think bama has any room to complain about voter manipulation
I am not complaining but neither should OSU fans. How many people do you think voted OSU because they did not want to see an all SEC rematch or because they do not like the SEC? Not because they actually thought OSU was the more deserving. The bias went both ways.
Posted on 12/7/11 at 8:33 pm to RollTideRockStar
Regardless of when you schedule your opponents, SOS should always be scrutinized...i don't agree that those arguments are dumb either way it should be looked at during every season to determine if the team is good or has just beaten shite teams
Posted on 12/7/11 at 8:35 pm to TideWarrior
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I would not be. Would you like me to tell you why?
LSU only scored 3 FGs against UA in TTown. GSU scored 3 TDs agains UA in TTown. My point is just because LSU gave up alot of points to WVU does not mean UA would.
WVU and VT did not deserve BCS bids. Conference auto bids and monet got them in. KSU and Arkansas ahould have been in their places. Again my opinion.
Posted on 12/7/11 at 8:35 pm to Indfanfromcol
Dude c'mon! Saying the SEC is better isn't assuming. How many NCGs do they need to win to prove that? Funny thing is you're an LSU fan and already know that. So, like most other LSU fans, you're just against a rematch. Nothing wrong with that though.
Posted on 12/7/11 at 8:37 pm to ReauxlTide222
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I put ZERO credit in winning a conference without winning a CCG.
I agree 100% on this, BUT that final game with ok state and oklahoma=conference championship since they were the top teams (last week, second was tied with oklahoma and kansas state, but oklahoma had the tie breaker).
But that isn't what we are talking about.
It should be mandatory for every conference to have a championship game, but a team shouldn't be punished for what the NCAA should make mandatory.
But if we don't look a s.o.s., that 6-6 loss means nothing. just a loss. We have to have s.o.s, because their isn't enough games to do other wise. I do think bama belongs in the nc because of the difference in losses, which is why I am happy that we use s.o.s. in times like picking bcs nc teams.
Posted on 12/7/11 at 8:38 pm to TideWarrior
WVU is better than any team Bama beat besides Arkansas.
Posted on 12/7/11 at 8:39 pm to RollTideRockStar
Bama's sole argument was that there loss wasn't as bad as Okie St.
That is all they had and it worked.
Instead of comparing merits, they compared failures. Did anyone consider the fact it was "just one game"?. We made a judgement about a NC contender based on one losing game and not the whole season. To me that is wrong.
That is all they had and it worked.
Instead of comparing merits, they compared failures. Did anyone consider the fact it was "just one game"?. We made a judgement about a NC contender based on one losing game and not the whole season. To me that is wrong.
Posted on 12/7/11 at 8:40 pm to RollTideRockStar
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S.O.S. and "Resumes" Are Complete BS
You are painfully stupid FWIW
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