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re: Serious Response about Jawja

Posted on 12/2/24 at 3:09 pm to
Posted by HorninHouston
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Posted on 12/2/24 at 3:09 pm to
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Those are some great points but, you didn't address all the talking points in the original post by VYForever. Read it again and tell us what you think.


He made some great points but I have no interest in responding to all of it. His talking points speak for themselves.
Posted by 3down10
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Posted on 12/2/24 at 3:10 pm to
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I mean I know bama is community college levels of education but this is a quick scan that would take 30 seconds to read, its not that serious.


Ability has nothing to do with it.
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Posted on 12/2/24 at 3:13 pm to
Posted by PeleofAnalytics
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Posted on 12/2/24 at 3:14 pm to
I bet you miss LiveJournal
Posted by Clames
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Posted on 12/2/24 at 3:15 pm to
That's a long-winded word salad. Geogia pushed your shite in once and will probably do it again. Not that you queers will mind all that much.
Posted by coldbeerfan
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Posted on 12/2/24 at 3:18 pm to
You could’ve gotten 20 more post counts if you had broken this one up.
Posted by DawginSC
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Posted on 12/2/24 at 3:41 pm to
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Georgia has not been trending anywhere. Georgia can look like shite and also look like a top tier team in the same game.


This is the truth. Any suggestion about a "trend" for UGA is made up garbage.

UGA still hasn't played a complete game yet. We haven't really had a completely garbage game either (though Ole Miss came close, the defense actually did about a C+ by their standards, not a full failure grade).

Tennessee was probably the closest UGA came to a complete game this year. No turnovers, 450 yards of offense, opponent held to 300 yards. Clemson would be the other possibility. No turnovers, 450 yards of offense, held opponent to less than 200 yards. That's game 1 and game 10 for UGA

We've had more offensive production... but it's come with turnovers and poor defensive performance (600 yards with 2 turnovers against MSU and gave up nearly 400 yards, 500 yards with 4 turnovers against Bama and gave up 550 yards).

We've also had better defensive production (well not better than the clemson game but better than Tennessee), but we've had poor offensive output in most of those games (gave up 280 to UK but only had 260) or had turnovers to mar the offensive stats (gave up 228 to UF but had 3 turnovers on offense) or both (gave up 260 to Texas only had 285 and had 3 offensive turnovers).

There's no time based trend to be found.

But in general UGA is at their worst on the road, is better at a neutral site and at their best at home on offense. The defense doesn't even follow that pattern. It's a total crapshoot. They've had their two best performances at neutral site games though (gave up 188 yards to Clemson and 228 to Florida)
Posted by VYForever
Frisco
Member since Feb 2019
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Posted on 12/2/24 at 4:21 pm to
Cut the pie how you want, the fact is that UGA reached a zenith against the Longhorns. It’s been downhill, at different elevations, since.
Posted by 3down10
Member since Sep 2014
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Posted on 12/2/24 at 4:24 pm to
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Cut the pie how you want, the fact is that UGA reached a zenith against the Longhorns. It’s been downhill, at different elevations, since.


The same Georgia that had already lost to Alabama like 3 weeks or so before playing Texas?

Posted by VYForever
Frisco
Member since Feb 2019
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Posted on 12/2/24 at 4:34 pm to
Right. It’s been pyramid shaped with Georgia peaking versus Texas.

Maybe a game against Texas is just what the veterinarian ordered for the bulldogs to get back to form.

Or maybe UGA has peaked and is washed (e.g. lol GT)
Posted by Darindawg
Member since May 2022
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Posted on 12/2/24 at 4:35 pm to
"downhill" ??

We're 10-2, smacked a pretty good Tenn team, an improving Florida team and a hard-fought rivalry game against a Tech team with 7 wins fresh off their defeat of top 5 Miami along the way and lost one more game to another top 5 team. We'll be playing for a conference championship in a week. Where do you see we've gone downhill in all of that?
Posted by Ed Guitarzan Gordan
Birmingham
Member since Oct 2024
413 posts
Posted on 12/2/24 at 4:43 pm to
quote:

He made some great points but I have no interest in responding to all of it. His talking points speak for themselves.


That's understandable. If you would, read back through it again and comment on bullet point 5 about the hair of Texas players being on fire and comment on that.

Here is his post again so you won't have to go back to page one to read it again.

quote:

Thanks for the input and thoughts, I’ll try to be as objective as I can as a diehard Longhorn (c/o 2007, so the glory VY and McCoy transformative years) in my response.

I was very vocal almost immediately after 10/19 that I wanted to see Georgia again. I wanted a rematch the next day if it was possible. That’s because it just felt like one of those games that wouldn’t be repeated again. And I was a little sore about getting thoroughly outplayed in the first half and even in the second half though to a lesser degree.

With the benefit of a couple of months now, I have some mixed thoughts and emotions:

1) Watching Georgia struggle against mediocre talent and lose to inferior talent is both befuddling and infuriating as a Longhorns fan. We had the opportunity to really put our boot on the throat of this conference in our first year but showed up completely unprepared for the moment. We allowed and have had to put up with the crowing of “easy schedule, can’t beat the one good team” by not taking care of business. A rematch shuts that narrative up, if Texas can win. The more decisive fashion the better.

2) I find it hard to believe Sark will make the same mistake twice and have his team come out flat and sloppy. Maybe Georgia just matches up horribly for us, and football is a game of match ups so be it, but I think Sark has this team ready to win. I think you saw glimpses of that with Texas minimizing mistakes and “winning” the second half but of course the game was not very close and moral victories are for minor league coaches. At the end of the day Sark can scheme and prep and do everything with the whiteboard correct but he can’t go out there and make the throws and catches and hang on to the football for the guys.

3) Speaking of Sark, I think he’s the right man to bring us back to the promised land. I know there are benefits to the laser focus and blinders to “just win” with the authoritarian (e.g. Saban) and unethical (e.g. Urban) and say what you will about his past as a drunk, but if you ask folks who’ve been around recovering addicts and alkys, these folks who have hit rock bottom and found their way back up again have a powerful, 360 degree perspective. It’s less X’s and O’s and more about developing and getting the most out of your Jimmy’s and Joe’s. He reminds me of Mack Brown in that way, who had incredible success here (until he didn’t), and you see traces of his trying to impart the right behaviors and focus with stopping his guys from planting a flag (and trying to win with humility and respect) and imploring fans to stop throwing bottles, etc. which raises the question of Ewers:

4) No question Ewers is not having the season he nor the fans have wanted. Despite the national media attempts to hype, he’s had about an up-and-down and injury riddled season as I can recall from someone who it was supposed to be his year. That said, Arch is not an automatic upgrade either. He’s shown flashes of brilliance here and there but he’s also looked young at times as well. The hypothesis could be made that Arch, with more game experience could be transcendent in a way that Quinn looks to not be able to reach as a ceiling, but that would be betting your season on it. Quinn (like Beck at Georgia) could be the very definition of “good is the enemy of great” and damning with the faint praise that he’s just a “good QB”, or he (like Beck) could be the optimal QB in their QB room to a maximize the supporting cast around him and do enough to win it all, if can stay mistake free. This is the ultimate “hindsight is 20/20” and Sark will either get lionized for sticking with Ewers and trusting him if they win it all or the ire of fans everywhere for not having the conviction and frankly the balls to do the needful and bench Quinn for Arch. The TX/GA game will set this ball in motion depending on how Ewers plays.

5) This Texas team seems to be growing in confidence and strength. Maybe some unintended consequences of playing a weak schedule and rattling off wins (and avoiding upsets), but they played (the defense in particular) as if they felt like they were the best in the business. If they can take that attitude along with some pride about redeeming how they played in the first matchup, maybe they come out with their hair on fire.

6) Georgia is the opposite. They’ve been trending downward since the Longhorn game. Inconsistent and frustrating. Maybe the Longhorn game was their peak and they don’t have it in the tank to match that effort again or maybe another Longhorn game is just what Georgia needs to get the best out of their team and show up to play inspired football— especially on the defensive side which was a masterclass of a game.

7) I didn’t know “Jawja” was pejorative or a slur. I thought y’all leaned into the regional dialect thing here and embraced the slack jaw thing like with “Pee-cans”. Sorry for the offense. Bark bark go dawgs!
Posted by VYForever
Frisco
Member since Feb 2019
715 posts
Posted on 12/2/24 at 4:45 pm to
You got dog walked by an average ole Miss team and got lucky to escape with a W against GT. You aren’t trending upwards despite whatever lies you want to tell yourself.
Posted by 3down10
Member since Sep 2014
30907 posts
Posted on 12/2/24 at 4:48 pm to
quote:

Right. It’s been pyramid shaped with Georgia peaking versus Texas.

Maybe a game against Texas is just what the veterinarian ordered for the bulldogs to get back to form.

Or maybe UGA has peaked and is washed (e.g. lol GT)


I don't know what the hell that is supposed to mean.

Georgia played about 4 top15 teams and went .500 on them. Lost to Alabama, beat the crap out of Texas, lost to Ole Miss and then beat the crap out of Tennessee.

Texas on the other hand...Lost to Georgia badly and never played another top15 team.

I can't see the future, but any Texas fan who thinks there is some pattern out there which predicts a Texas win is just wishing on a star named Manning. You're going to need a better offense, or your defense is going to need to hold Georgia to 2 TDs.

Posted by Ed Guitarzan Gordan
Birmingham
Member since Oct 2024
413 posts
Posted on 12/2/24 at 4:50 pm to
quote:

You got dog walked by an average ole Miss team and got lucky to escape with a W against GT. You aren’t trending upwards despite whatever lies you want to tell yourself.


Hi, VYForever, great post. Could you elaborate on why you think Sarkisisan should or should not bench Ewers in favor of Manning from here on out.

In bullet point 4, you lightly touched on the topic but a more detailed analysis of your thoughts would be nice.

Here is the original post again to refresh your memory. Thanks.

quote:

Thanks for the input and thoughts, I’ll try to be as objective as I can as a diehard Longhorn (c/o 2007, so the glory VY and McCoy transformative years) in my response.

I was very vocal almost immediately after 10/19 that I wanted to see Georgia again. I wanted a rematch the next day if it was possible. That’s because it just felt like one of those games that wouldn’t be repeated again. And I was a little sore about getting thoroughly outplayed in the first half and even in the second half though to a lesser degree.

With the benefit of a couple of months now, I have some mixed thoughts and emotions:

1) Watching Georgia struggle against mediocre talent and lose to inferior talent is both befuddling and infuriating as a Longhorns fan. We had the opportunity to really put our boot on the throat of this conference in our first year but showed up completely unprepared for the moment. We allowed and have had to put up with the crowing of “easy schedule, can’t beat the one good team” by not taking care of business. A rematch shuts that narrative up, if Texas can win. The more decisive fashion the better.

2) I find it hard to believe Sark will make the same mistake twice and have his team come out flat and sloppy. Maybe Georgia just matches up horribly for us, and football is a game of match ups so be it, but I think Sark has this team ready to win. I think you saw glimpses of that with Texas minimizing mistakes and “winning” the second half but of course the game was not very close and moral victories are for minor league coaches. At the end of the day Sark can scheme and prep and do everything with the whiteboard correct but he can’t go out there and make the throws and catches and hang on to the football for the guys.

3) Speaking of Sark, I think he’s the right man to bring us back to the promised land. I know there are benefits to the laser focus and blinders to “just win” with the authoritarian (e.g. Saban) and unethical (e.g. Urban) and say what you will about his past as a drunk, but if you ask folks who’ve been around recovering addicts and alkys, these folks who have hit rock bottom and found their way back up again have a powerful, 360 degree perspective. It’s less X’s and O’s and more about developing and getting the most out of your Jimmy’s and Joe’s. He reminds me of Mack Brown in that way, who had incredible success here (until he didn’t), and you see traces of his trying to impart the right behaviors and focus with stopping his guys from planting a flag (and trying to win with humility and respect) and imploring fans to stop throwing bottles, etc. which raises the question of Ewers:

4) No question Ewers is not having the season he nor the fans have wanted. Despite the national media attempts to hype, he’s had about an up-and-down and injury riddled season as I can recall from someone who it was supposed to be his year. That said, Arch is not an automatic upgrade either. He’s shown flashes of brilliance here and there but he’s also looked young at times as well. The hypothesis could be made that Arch, with more game experience could be transcendent in a way that Quinn looks to not be able to reach as a ceiling, but that would be betting your season on it. Quinn (like Beck at Georgia) could be the very definition of “good is the enemy of great” and damning with the faint praise that he’s just a “good QB”, or he (like Beck) could be the optimal QB in their QB room to a maximize the supporting cast around him and do enough to win it all, if can stay mistake free. This is the ultimate “hindsight is 20/20” and Sark will either get lionized for sticking with Ewers and trusting him if they win it all or the ire of fans everywhere for not having the conviction and frankly the balls to do the needful and bench Quinn for Arch. The TX/GA game will set this ball in motion depending on how Ewers plays.

5) This Texas team seems to be growing in confidence and strength. Maybe some unintended consequences of playing a weak schedule and rattling off wins (and avoiding upsets), but they played (the defense in particular) as if they felt like they were the best in the business. If they can take that attitude along with some pride about redeeming how they played in the first matchup, maybe they come out with their hair on fire.

6) Georgia is the opposite. They’ve been trending downward since the Longhorn game. Inconsistent and frustrating. Maybe the Longhorn game was their peak and they don’t have it in the tank to match that effort again or maybe another Longhorn game is just what Georgia needs to get the best out of their team and show up to play inspired football— especially on the defensive side which was a masterclass of a game.

7) I didn’t know “Jawja” was pejorative or a slur. I thought y’all leaned into the regional dialect thing here and embraced the slack jaw thing like with “Pee-cans”. Sorry for the offense. Bark bark go dawgs!
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Posted by AlaCowboy
North Alabama
Member since Dec 2011
7353 posts
Posted on 12/2/24 at 5:06 pm to
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7) I didn’t know “Jawja” was pejorative or a slur. I thought y’all leaned into the regional dialect thing here and embraced the slack jaw thing like with “Pee-cans”. Sorry for the offense. Bark bark go dawgs!


I went to Georgia, was born in the South and lived in Georgia for 3 decades and never heard anyone in the South say "Jawja" in referring to Georgia. If you want to have a serious discussion about any team here then be polite.
Should we refer to your team as the University of North Mexico?
Posted by Dandy Lion
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Posted on 12/2/24 at 5:06 pm to
Posted by Darindawg
Member since May 2022
3145 posts
Posted on 12/2/24 at 5:24 pm to
Well ol '3down10'....I take back anything bad I've ever said about you. We're actually on the same side for a change! Go Dawgs and Roll Tide!!
Posted by VYForever
Frisco
Member since Feb 2019
715 posts
Posted on 12/2/24 at 5:34 pm to
Unlike anything that Georgia can say, Texas alone (okay fine, maybe a little help from the other UT guys) conquered our land and defeated Mexico in battle and war. That’s as stupid as saying should we call Georgia the University of the 7th Colony of Britain?
This post was edited on 12/2/24 at 5:35 pm
Posted by Griffindawg
Member since Oct 2013
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Posted on 12/2/24 at 5:42 pm to
Not reading that novel BUUUTTTT have a downvote.
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