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Posted on 10/30/12 at 11:41 pm to bamasgot13
Posted on 10/30/12 at 11:41 pm to bamasgot13
Gotta love these serious questions. They're sure better than the "unserious" ones. Or is it "nonserious"? Maybe "imserious"?
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Posted on 10/31/12 at 12:17 am to JaboStokes
Chizik isnt in complete control of the program.
I remember after a miscue at the State/Auburn game, Chizik met some player coming off the field and was trying to chew him out, then Trooper Taylor came over and called Chizik off of him.
Every other coach in the SEC would have slit Troopers throat for being insubordinate and undermining the authority of the head coach.
I remember after a miscue at the State/Auburn game, Chizik met some player coming off the field and was trying to chew him out, then Trooper Taylor came over and called Chizik off of him.
Every other coach in the SEC would have slit Troopers throat for being insubordinate and undermining the authority of the head coach.
Posted on 10/31/12 at 2:20 am to Herm Edwards
Auburn has talent, albeit weak at linebacker and qb. But the guys can play, when their head/heart is in it. The players are not nearly as bad as the record of the team.
How can the 5-19 coach Chiz come into a high end program and be expected to exude the confidence in himself necessary to command respect from those under him? It's unrealistic to expect such, in the back of Chiz's mind he knows he's a losing head coach. Not specific to football but if you've ever worked for someone who's not nearly as good as you, an uneasy situation can arise. It's probably why Gus left.
The boss often overly asserts himself in an effort to prove he is qualified, when actually he lacks self confidence. Conversely, at times the boss will be indecisive and let something slide that he should have handled because he is not confident in his ability. The situation grows into personal conflicts which can go unsettled and resentments arise. Those beneath the boss with big egos who feel they are better than the boss will do things to undermine the boss, either on purpose or unconsciously.
Examples of the boss overly asserting himself are unequal treatment of players-suspensions and benching kids. An indecisive example is Chiz allowing Bolt to be ejected by BVG. If the head coach wants his man in the meetings, then dammit, the man stays in the meetings. The kids see through this bickering and take sides or use one against the other similar to kids of divorced parents. It creates a clusterfrick.
It looks like a problem that's about 95% mental attitude. In the LSU game, I believe that the team rallied around trying to win one for that trainer kid that died unexpectedly before game time. Here the players had a cause that transcended the issues that has sapped their positive attitude. For whatever reason, Auburn had the correct mental attitude when they played LSU.
The issues like player development, off field problems, coaching skills, luck, even injuries can all be linked to a very bad team attitude.
How can the 5-19 coach Chiz come into a high end program and be expected to exude the confidence in himself necessary to command respect from those under him? It's unrealistic to expect such, in the back of Chiz's mind he knows he's a losing head coach. Not specific to football but if you've ever worked for someone who's not nearly as good as you, an uneasy situation can arise. It's probably why Gus left.
The boss often overly asserts himself in an effort to prove he is qualified, when actually he lacks self confidence. Conversely, at times the boss will be indecisive and let something slide that he should have handled because he is not confident in his ability. The situation grows into personal conflicts which can go unsettled and resentments arise. Those beneath the boss with big egos who feel they are better than the boss will do things to undermine the boss, either on purpose or unconsciously.
Examples of the boss overly asserting himself are unequal treatment of players-suspensions and benching kids. An indecisive example is Chiz allowing Bolt to be ejected by BVG. If the head coach wants his man in the meetings, then dammit, the man stays in the meetings. The kids see through this bickering and take sides or use one against the other similar to kids of divorced parents. It creates a clusterfrick.
It looks like a problem that's about 95% mental attitude. In the LSU game, I believe that the team rallied around trying to win one for that trainer kid that died unexpectedly before game time. Here the players had a cause that transcended the issues that has sapped their positive attitude. For whatever reason, Auburn had the correct mental attitude when they played LSU.
The issues like player development, off field problems, coaching skills, luck, even injuries can all be linked to a very bad team attitude.
Posted on 10/31/12 at 4:31 am to JaboStokes
Whole lot of Gump up in this thread that is titled
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Serious Question for Auburn fans
Posted on 10/31/12 at 4:50 am to bamasgot13
I've always felt like limos and bling and such on recruiting visits is a Dangerous game ... There is a danger of the wrong type of player being enamored with your school because of it ... College football ends up being a grind, and having guys in love with the grind is crucial and hard to find these days ...
Posted on 10/31/12 at 4:55 am to boddagetta
It's fairly obvious. The coaches are replacing the QB's and LB's on this team with true freshmen and the true freshmen are playing better than guys with three plus years experience.
Posted on 10/31/12 at 6:57 am to troywew
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Not specific to football but if you've ever worked for someone who's not nearly as good as you, an uneasy situation can arise. It's probably why Gus left. The boss often overly asserts himself in an effort to prove he is qualified, when actually he lacks self confidence. Conversely, at times the boss will be indecisive and let something slide that he should have handled because he is not confident in his ability. The situation grows into personal conflicts which can go unsettled and resentments arise. Those beneath the boss with big egos who feel they are better than the boss will do things to undermine the boss, either on purpose or unconsciously. Examples of the boss overly asserting himself are unequal treatment of players-suspensions and benching kids. An indecisive example is Chiz allowing Bolt to be ejected by BVG. If the head coach wants his man in the meetings, then dammit, the man stays in the meetings. The kids see through this bickering and take sides or use one against the other similar to kids of divorced parents
That is an excellent observation.
Posted on 10/31/12 at 7:17 am to bamasgot13
This is possibly the best AU thread ever on the SEC Rant. Thanks for setting a civil tone in the OP. It gives me hope for the future of mankind.
Posted on 10/31/12 at 7:20 am to spacewrangler
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I keep reading where Au fans say they have a ton of talent on the team; full of 4*/5* players. They were a QB away from being undefeated after the LSU game and with a new coach that they would/could win 9-10 games next year.
I just don't see great talent at all on the team. There are very few players that are above average/elite SEC players on the roster. The only player I've seen in a game and said that guy could be/is a stud was Dee Ford and he's been hurt some. Other than him not a single player has overly been impressive. Sure there are some/plenty of solid guys but the real difference makers are lacking.
I know Au has had a lot of attrition from their Top 5 classes. It would be interesting to see a list of ONLY the 4*/5* recruits that were signed on those 2 top 5 recruiting classes and a list of from those same 4*/5* that are on the team and what happened if they are not on the team.
Most of the reason have been listed but the biggest problem IMO is lack of identity on the offense and defense schemes. That's mostly due to the new OC and current coaches not buying in to that system (seems reminiscent of the Tubbs/Franklin experiment and probably will have the same result=fired head coach). The DC shouldn't have had that bad of impact but for some reason BVG has been a huge BUST on turing the D around. It has a lot to do with the players he has to work with but still he should have been able to keep them somewhat competitive.
I hope Au get's their shite together soon; not sure I can take another year of having Msst fans grinding becuase they beat Au and think they arrived.
No offense, but I used to think you were an idiot bammer with your 4-win predictions before every season. But this whole situation has changed a lot of things in my mind. There is much truth in your post, most of which you have been saying for a while.
Posted on 10/31/12 at 7:34 am to Sigma
Lulz at Auburn. Karma for $cam! Chiz blows! Bagman cometh! Roll Tahd!!!
But for real, lots of good insight on this thread.
But for real, lots of good insight on this thread.
Posted on 10/31/12 at 7:34 am to bamasgot13
I think the problems are:
1. Spread players trying to learn pro-style (See UF offensive last year with spread players trying to run pro style)
2. DC who has been coaching grown men for years trying get back use to coaching kids.
3. Players not confident that new systems work because of the constant struggling game after game.
1. Spread players trying to learn pro-style (See UF offensive last year with spread players trying to run pro style)
2. DC who has been coaching grown men for years trying get back use to coaching kids.
3. Players not confident that new systems work because of the constant struggling game after game.
Posted on 10/31/12 at 7:41 am to bamasgot13
Disagree, they are terrible and I thought this last game cleared up the status on Porn Stash. They are terrible, each and every one of them, and even moreover as a collective unit (period)
Posted on 10/31/12 at 7:41 am to augrad00
IDK but it seems like a lack of talent. We look more like a C-USA team than an SEC one. No hitting on defense, lack of speed on offense, Mosely doesn't want to throw anything but 5 yard passes. Tre & O-Mac are running there hearts out.
Posted on 10/31/12 at 7:41 am to Warfarer
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2. To go with the coddling, I think this has broken the team in half. I think half is team Trooper/Luper and the other half is Team Chizik and neither is good but split is just a clusterfrick of a new form of bad.
I think 85-90% of the team is Team Trooper/Luper... Jake Holland and Clint Mosely are team Chizik.
Posted on 10/31/12 at 7:43 am to bamasgot13
Probably karma for paying for sCam.
Posted on 10/31/12 at 7:48 am to Tayday
I was thinking the same thing considering what's going on with Carolina Panthers and Cam.
Posted on 10/31/12 at 8:27 am to troywew
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Auburn has talent, albeit weak at linebacker and qb. But the guys can play, when their head/heart is in it. The players are not nearly as bad as the record of the team.
How can the 5-19 coach Chiz come into a high end program and be expected to exude the confidence in himself necessary to command respect from those under him? It's unrealistic to expect such, in the back of Chiz's mind he knows he's a losing head coach. Not specific to football but if you've ever worked for someone who's not nearly as good as you, an uneasy situation can arise. It's probably why Gus left.
The boss often overly asserts himself in an effort to prove he is qualified, when actually he lacks self confidence. Conversely, at times the boss will be indecisive and let something slide that he should have handled because he is not confident in his ability. The situation grows into personal conflicts which can go unsettled and resentments arise. Those beneath the boss with big egos who feel they are better than the boss will do things to undermine the boss, either on purpose or unconsciously.
Examples of the boss overly asserting himself are unequal treatment of players-suspensions and benching kids. An indecisive example is Chiz allowing Bolt to be ejected by BVG. If the head coach wants his man in the meetings, then dammit, the man stays in the meetings. The kids see through this bickering and take sides or use one against the other similar to kids of divorced parents. It creates a clusterfrick.
It looks like a problem that's about 95% mental attitude. In the LSU game, I believe that the team rallied around trying to win one for that trainer kid that died unexpectedly before game time. Here the players had a cause that transcended the issues that has sapped their positive attitude. For whatever reason, Auburn had the correct mental attitude when they played LSU.
The issues like player development, off field problems, coaching skills, luck, even injuries can all be linked to a very bad team attitude.
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Excellent insight and well thought out. Thanks for taking the time to type this. A lot of posts on here are kindergarten one-liners and useless bullshitte. Please post more.
Posted on 10/31/12 at 9:12 am to bamasgot13
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The talent is there. There is no way all those players were over-rated coming out of HS. They've clearly not been developed, but there is talent on campus.
My thoughts, as an Alabama fan:
I think recruiting has been the main issue for Auburn. It seems like they have been too concerned over recruiting rankings and "winning" the recruiting war, without regards to team needs and players that would fit their systems. I also assume that they were allowing 247 Sports, Rivals, etc. to do their player evaluations.
Also, related to recruiting, their tactics seem to hurt the type of players they are bringing in. I am not referring to any NCAA violations, but more their negative recruiting toward Alabama. Specifically, showing 5 minute videos of Saban yelling at players and saying if you go there you will not get playing time. In my mind, this would appeal to a certain type of recruit and those types are generally not the guys to bust their butts in the offseason and put it all on the line everytime they enter the field.
Just my thoughts and assumptions. Not mad.
This post was edited on 10/31/12 at 9:13 am
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