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Posted on 7/11/22 at 11:15 pm to JCdawg
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This was definitely the Big 10 reacting desperately to the SEC getting Texas and Oklahoma. If the SEC adds anyone right now its Ohio State and Michigan and creates their own playoff. I'll say it again, Florida State and Clemson bring nothing to the table to increase market value of the league. North Carolina and Virginia some, but we are fine as is.
It's not about markets anymore since cable subscriptions don't drive the ship anymore, otherwise Rutgers and Houston would presumably be great for ratings. It's about eyeballs these days. Less desirable teams bring fewer eyes regardless where they are. More desirable teams are just that, more desirable. They have to compete with the other games that are on the TV every Saturday. Other than the Holy Rollers, Clemson is the team with the most eyeballs not currently in the Big(Whatever) or the SEC. Virginia does pull a couple more viewers than the Coots, so there's that.
Posted on 7/14/22 at 1:39 pm to MetroAtlantaGatorFan
This is the play. B10 needs to take FSU and Miami to get their recruiting deeper into Florida for all their schools. B10 is at 16, if they add Miami, Florida State, Clemson and ND that’s at minimum equal to the SEC. Match up the top 16 and it’d be tough:
1. OSU
2. Clemson
3. USC
4. ND
5. Penn St
6. Michigan
7. Wisconsin
8. Iowa
9. FSU
10. Miami
11. Michigan St
12. Nebraska
13. Minnesota
14. UCLA
15. Purdue
16. Northwestern
Vs:
1. Bama
2. Georgia
3. OU
4. LSU
5. A&M
6. Florida
7. Texas
8. Auburn
9. Ole Miss
10. Arkansas
11. Tennessee
12. Miss State
13. Kentucky
14. Mizzou
15. South Carolina
16. Vandy
1. OSU
2. Clemson
3. USC
4. ND
5. Penn St
6. Michigan
7. Wisconsin
8. Iowa
9. FSU
10. Miami
11. Michigan St
12. Nebraska
13. Minnesota
14. UCLA
15. Purdue
16. Northwestern
Vs:
1. Bama
2. Georgia
3. OU
4. LSU
5. A&M
6. Florida
7. Texas
8. Auburn
9. Ole Miss
10. Arkansas
11. Tennessee
12. Miss State
13. Kentucky
14. Mizzou
15. South Carolina
16. Vandy
Posted on 7/14/22 at 3:51 pm to UKat
It should be clear to anyone that the SEC will only add a school if their athletic program can increase the overall revenue of the conference. There are no schools left on the landscape that would do that.
All of the ACC schools are bound tight by their GOR until 2036, including Norte Dame. That’s why the B1G has also stopped looking.
It’s about money. How often does that have to be said?
All of the ACC schools are bound tight by their GOR until 2036, including Norte Dame. That’s why the B1G has also stopped looking.
It’s about money. How often does that have to be said?
Posted on 7/14/22 at 5:06 pm to Kentucker
Y'know, looking at things, I don't know why people keep saying the SEC has to react to the Big 10's moves (other than to absorb and take over the NCAA).
Let's look at Big 10 expansion:
Penn State, the move that started it all. A+, no denying that. Top-tier program that competes head-to-head with Ohio State and Michigan (their power teams), added a cohesive layer to the East of the geograpic footprint.
Maryland; D- at best. A traditional lesser-bowl team that can't get to any bowls, geographic island over on the East Coast, no relevant competition or improvement to the conference. Big disappointment in basketball, which should have been the effective addition.
Rutgers; F. A shitty program in New Jersey. Nobody cares about them THERE, much less in traditional Big 10 country. They're basically a mid-tier program's homecoming fodder.
Nebraska: A for effort, it was a big-name pickup. Too bad it's like landing a free agent finishing out his career in pro sports... you get the name but none of the accomplishments. I'd say a C- or D with them.
Now, we see USC and UCLA. 1500 miles away, zero rivalries to build outside of the Rose Bowl history, transportation will make every sport outside football and basketball a loss, at least a decade since either has been relevant, adding a big geographic outlier in an area where fans are disinterested to begin with.
Compare that to the SEC-
Arkansas and South Carolina. Both added cohesive layers to the geography.
Arkansas was an A, added a legit challenge to Kentucky in basketball, and banged heads with LSU and Auburn for SEC West titles for a decade.
South Carolina is a B to C. Mild competition in the East until it cratered, then Spurrier brought it to new levels briefly. Built a baseball program, now has a women's basketball program.
A&M and Missouri: decent. Say a B overall. A&M gives Arkansas a traditional rival back, added a cohesive Western layer to the SEC. Mizzou is a bit more geographically challenged, hasn't meshed well with the Arkansas rivalry the league sought, did briefly add some flavor to East football (2 East titles) when it was down, otherwise disappointing. A for A&M, C for Mizzou.
Texas and Oklahoma (incoming):
jury's out, but looks to be a good addition. Texas integrates well with the A&M/Arkansas side, restoring some classic rivalries. OU fits in with that, and possibly helps Mizzou fit in better overall too. You keep the UT-OU rivalry intact, and OU in particular adds some beef to the football side.
TL,DR version- the SEC expansions fit a plan, the Big 10 ones don't.
Let's look at Big 10 expansion:
Penn State, the move that started it all. A+, no denying that. Top-tier program that competes head-to-head with Ohio State and Michigan (their power teams), added a cohesive layer to the East of the geograpic footprint.
Maryland; D- at best. A traditional lesser-bowl team that can't get to any bowls, geographic island over on the East Coast, no relevant competition or improvement to the conference. Big disappointment in basketball, which should have been the effective addition.
Rutgers; F. A shitty program in New Jersey. Nobody cares about them THERE, much less in traditional Big 10 country. They're basically a mid-tier program's homecoming fodder.
Nebraska: A for effort, it was a big-name pickup. Too bad it's like landing a free agent finishing out his career in pro sports... you get the name but none of the accomplishments. I'd say a C- or D with them.
Now, we see USC and UCLA. 1500 miles away, zero rivalries to build outside of the Rose Bowl history, transportation will make every sport outside football and basketball a loss, at least a decade since either has been relevant, adding a big geographic outlier in an area where fans are disinterested to begin with.
Compare that to the SEC-
Arkansas and South Carolina. Both added cohesive layers to the geography.
Arkansas was an A, added a legit challenge to Kentucky in basketball, and banged heads with LSU and Auburn for SEC West titles for a decade.
South Carolina is a B to C. Mild competition in the East until it cratered, then Spurrier brought it to new levels briefly. Built a baseball program, now has a women's basketball program.
A&M and Missouri: decent. Say a B overall. A&M gives Arkansas a traditional rival back, added a cohesive Western layer to the SEC. Mizzou is a bit more geographically challenged, hasn't meshed well with the Arkansas rivalry the league sought, did briefly add some flavor to East football (2 East titles) when it was down, otherwise disappointing. A for A&M, C for Mizzou.
Texas and Oklahoma (incoming):
jury's out, but looks to be a good addition. Texas integrates well with the A&M/Arkansas side, restoring some classic rivalries. OU fits in with that, and possibly helps Mizzou fit in better overall too. You keep the UT-OU rivalry intact, and OU in particular adds some beef to the football side.
TL,DR version- the SEC expansions fit a plan, the Big 10 ones don't.
Posted on 7/14/22 at 6:21 pm to Slippy
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And Clemson fans just pooped their britches.
I want Clemson to stay in the ACC.
They've won 3 national titles as a member of the ACC.
This post was edited on 7/14/22 at 6:26 pm
Posted on 7/14/22 at 7:07 pm to Tillman
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I want Clemson to stay in the ACC.
Well, they don’t have a choice until 2036.
Posted on 7/14/22 at 7:23 pm to BurgTiger
& HOW LONG will the SEC stay @ 16 with the B10 @ 20?
This post was edited on 7/14/22 at 7:25 pm
Posted on 7/14/22 at 7:43 pm to Kentucker
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Well, they don’t have a choice until 2036.
how's being in the SEC working out for Kentucky in football. brag about the conference but you never win anything
Posted on 7/14/22 at 8:06 pm to Slippy
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And Clemson fans just pooped their britches.
Well most do that every day so its no big deal....
Posted on 7/14/22 at 8:45 pm to Kentucker
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It’s about money. How often does that have to be said?
If it was truly “all about the money” they’d kick your sorry asses out. Along with a few others.
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