re: SEC HC rankings

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I've been pretty clear winning the SEC is definitely a noteworthy accomplishment. Winning a Natty is obviously more noteworthy.

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Yes. yet in spite of that you also said this:
No one remembers 2nd place, or who finishes top 4, or top 10. Kirby won an SEC Championship. That's all that's really noteworthy about his tenure so far at UGA.

So in your mind it is more noteworthy to win the SEC than it is to play for a National Championship. makes absolutely no sense. At all.

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Quote me where I said, "only national championships matter."

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When you said this:
No one remembers 2nd place, or who finishes top 4, or top 10.

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Everything else is pretty largely irrelevant.

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It is relevant to win the SEC, yet irrelevant to play for a National Championship. Perfect logic. Perfect.

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I mentioned beating Saban or Orgeron because some UGA fans act like Kirby is no. 2 in the conference.

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You want to play "Show me"? Show me the poster that said Kirby is the second best HC in the SEC.

I think the pecking order is pretty clear at the top.

Saban
Orgeron

Where it gets cloudy is after that. I mean, Fisher has won a NC, but has done little since. Malzahn has coached for a NC, but averages almost 5 losses a year since. Mullen has done a good job at MState and Florida, but has never won his own division. Kirby has coached for a NC and won his division 3 straight years,
and has been the most consistent of everyone outside of Saban and Orgeron.

Personally? I have a TON of respect for Orgeron. He saw a deficiency in his team and went out and fixed it.
That's why I give a clear #1 to Saban and a #2 spot to Orgeron.

#3-#5 gets cloudy. I put Kirby at #3 because he has been very consistent to date, and is winning and seems to be building. It is silly to compare Kirby Smart to any coach other than the ones that are currently coaching. An argument can be made for Fisher to be #3 because he has won a NC. I am not sure an argument can be made for Mullen....YET. Malzahn? No. He has got to be more consistent.

It is silly to say that the only noteworthy accomplishment a coach can have is winning a NC or winning the SEC, though. Making the playoffs, winning a playoff game are both noteworthy. Nothing personal, but I think if Clemson had beaten LSU in the NC you would be agreeing with me.

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Stick Kirby at Kentucky or Auburn and see if he wins as many games.

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Auburn and Georgia are almost the same distance from Atlanta....the hot bed of Georgia talent.

Malzahn has averaged almost 5 losses a year since he won the SEC. There is a reason Auburn fans want him fired.

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Re; Smart, he's flat out choked in the biggest of games.

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Wait. He choked in the Rose Bowl and the SEC Championship game of 2017? or that one National Championship game he has coached in?

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Yes. yet in spite of that you also said this:
No one remembers 2nd place, or who finishes top 4, or top 10. Kirby won an SEC Championship. That's all that's really noteworthy about his tenure so far at UGA.

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You're really struggling here. I can't help you if you don't see how SEC and National Titles are noteworthy, with the National Title being a bigger accomplishment. The goal for every team in the SEC is to win the SEC and then hopefully a National Title. Anything short of that is pretty unremarkable.

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So in your mind it is more noteworthy to win the SEC than it is to play for a National Championship. makes absolutely no sense. At all.

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Umm, yes...you won an SEC Title and lost the national title game. You wanna brag about a loss, don't let me stand in your way.

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When you said this:
No one remembers 2nd place, or who finishes top 4, or top 10.

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You're proving my point perfectly. It doesn't matter where you finish you don't have an SEC or National Title. Why are you fighting this? If you finish top 4 nationally but you don't win a conference or natty, thumping your chest about your top 4 national finish is pretty dumb, don't you think?

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It is relevant to win the SEC, yet irrelevant to play for a National Championship. Perfect logic. Perfect.

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Yes, what do you get by losing in the natty? Is there a participation trophy awarded that I'm not aware of?

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Nothing personal, but I think if Clemson had beaten LSU in the NC you would be agreeing with me.

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I'd view it the same way I did 2011 -- an undefeated regular season with an SEC title (and a Heisman for this) but I wouldn't be thumping my chest about a natty loss just like I don't the game against Bama. I'd view it as missing the mark, which is winning the game, not just getting there.

I don't disagree with your rankings much; I have:
1) Saban
2) Orgeron
3) Kirby/Mullen/Jimbo(luster is fading real fast off that natty)
6) Malzahn/Stoops

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Rankings by winning percentage at current job.

1. Saban .869 152-23
2. Orgeron .816 40-9
3. Mullen .808 21-5
4. Smart .786 44-12
5. Malzahn .667 62-31
6. Fisher .654 17-9
7. Pruitt .520 13-12
8. Muschamp .510 26-25
9. Stoops .500 44-44
10. Mason .365 27-47
11. Kiffin
11. Leach
11. Pittman
11. Drinkwitz

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That's a good place to start.

Orgeron has had a hard time beating Mullen. He's 1-2 in his last 3 meetings with him.

That said, I think it's still speculative whether or not Mullen will do a better job at Florida than Smart has at Georgia.

I'd definitely pick Malzahn over Fisher.

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God
Mullen
Fisher
Malzahn
Boy
Kiffin
Leach
Man
Stoops
Pruitt
Muschamp
Pittman
Mason
shite

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I believe it's Boy, Man, God, shite....?? Phish fan?

Drinkwitz did beat Muschamp last year! Why people not putting him above Muschamp? Actually Drinkwitz beat North Carolina and South Carolina last year and that should give him the edge over some other head coach listed here.

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You're really struggling here. I can't help you if you don't see how SEC and National Titles are noteworthy, with the National Title being a bigger accomplishment.

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Are you joking? I am arguing that they are noteworthy, but that there are also a lot of other things that are noteworthy. YOU argue that the only noteworthy accomplishments are the SEC Championship and the National title, not me.

I think both are very noteworthy accomplishments. But seriously...would rather win the SEC Championship and get beat in the first round of the playoffs, or would you rather lose the SEC Championship yet still play for the National title? Give me a shot at the title every time.

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The goal for every team in the SEC is to win the SEC and then hopefully a National Title. Anything short of that is pretty unremarkable.

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I agree that should be the goal. But playing for a NC is a pretty noteworthy thing. Do you think Alabama is really worried about not winning the SEC in 2011?

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Umm, yes...you won an SEC Title and lost the national title game. You wanna brag about a loss, don't let me stand in your way.

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Who is bragging about a loss? I would prefer to win the NC. But winning a playoff game and playing for the title is still a nice accomplishment. What surprises me is LSU fans want to sneer at Alabama fans for not winning the SEC in 2011, and yet they won the National Championship.
But hey. You guys won the SEC, so brag about that.

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You're proving my point perfectly. It doesn't matter where you finish you don't have an SEC or National Title. Why are you fighting this? If you finish top 4 nationally but you don't win a conference or natty, thumping your chest about your top 4 national finish is pretty dumb, don't you think?

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Not at all. Only four teams in the entire country can say they finished in the top 4. That is stout. You can belittle it if you want, but there are 128 or so teams that wishes they could say they finished in the top 4. It shows progress, and shows you have a pretty darn good team. But hey.....LSU finished #2 in the country in 2011. You can be ashamed of that if you want to be. After all....it really wasn't an accomplishment. By the way...why would you be proud of winning the SEC if you don't win the NC? Nobody remembers who finished 2nd, or 3rd, or 4th, right?

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Yes, what do you get by losing in the natty? Is there a participation trophy awarded that I'm not aware of?

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But wait...we won the SEC. We got a trophy for that. I am confused about what we should be ashamed of and what we should be proud of.

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I'd view it the same way I did 2011 -- an undefeated regular season with an SEC title (and a Heisman for this) but I wouldn't be thumping my chest about a natty loss just like I don't the game against Bama. I'd view it as missing the mark, which is winning the game, not just getting there.

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Then did Alabama hit the mark? I mean, they did not win the SEC, but they did win the National Championship. So, should they be proud or ashamed?

Drinkwitz going to make yall look like fools.

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Jimbo Fisher??? The man went 5-6 his last season at Florida State. Anyone who goes 5-6 at a place like F$U lacks credibility.

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He quit coaching since he was going to be taking the A&M job. Coach do that when you were courted to another school. That is what happened. Some would still try hard but he did not. So it is moot point to say he sucks.

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1. Saban
2. Leach
3. Malzahan
4. Stoops
5. Mullen
6. Orgeron
7. Kiffin
8. Muschamp
9. Kirby
10. Mason
11. Mizzou Coach
12. Pittman
13. Conehead
14. $75000000

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WTF when was the last Championship Leach won?