re: SEC HC rankings

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It should not be considered. Winning trophies is the only metric that matters for coaches. The rest all feed into it, but they are completely irrelevant if no trophies are won.

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Congrats, it's still early in the day but this is the dumbest thing I'll read on here all day.

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Congrats, it's still early in the day but this is the dumbest thing I'll read on here all day.

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And yet, I'm objectively right in every way.

You don't have to like it, and I have a pretty good hunch why a UGA fan doesn't.

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Cut it out. You can't be serious. You really believe that Mike Leach is the second best coach in the sec? That's not even a good joke. What has Mike Leach ever done? I'm waiting...

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Hey guy. There's no need to get so upset and angry about my list. It wasn't a personal attack or anything. Good golly you LSU fans are so sensitive. I put Leach at second because he's the coach of my alma matter, and I believe he has a lot of upside and am excited (as are other MSU fans) to watch the coming seasons.

I'm assuming your whining is due to Orgeron being so low. My thinking is that his only success comes at a naturally talent-rich school, and, aside from the season he had an all-star QB, he's lost some games he probably shouldn't have. He also got fired from Ole Miss. He wins more championships, he'll be right below Saban, but I'm not going to put an Ole Miss reject at second just because Joe Burrow won a championship. Just like Crab Legs winning a championship doesn't make Jimbo a good coach.

Normally I apologize when I make a post that upsets people, but my personal list was so unoffensive, that I'm not going to do that here. The fact that you still found a way to get offended and cry about that post shows how much of a whiney crybaby you are. Sad really.

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You can't be serious. You really believe that Mike Leach is the second best coach in the sec?

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To be honest, Leach IS the most entertaining coach in the SEC. How can you possibly hate on a man for that? I'm really looking forward to the next season simply because of what I think Orgeron might do with his Tigers and the sass that I expect to come out of Stark-Vegas!

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Nah, you're not being objective at all You're choosing to look at only one thing of it and I'm looking at the entire picture that creates that one thing.

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And you're acting like participation trophies count in college football.

Inputs don't matter. Only outputs.

Recruiting is irrelevant if you can't win the big ones. Again, you're a UGA fan, so I see why you're taking the stance you are.

Here are two examples:

Dabo Swinney. He wasn't recruiting lights out until very, very recently. Yet he has two national titles to show for it. He does more with less.

Kirby Smart. He's been recruiting lights out since day one at UGA. He has no national titles and sincerely struggles in big games. He does less with more.

Guess which of those formulas leads to job security?

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Re; Smart, he's flat out choked in the biggest of games.

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So Malzahn hasn’t? Or are you picking and choosing which big games matter?

And recruiting is a part of being a HC. I don’t know why so many people ignore this.

Coaches get too much credit when they win and too much blame when they lose.

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It should not be considered. Winning trophies is the only metric that matters for coaches. The rest all feed into it, but they are completely irrelevant if no trophies are won.

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Crap dude. gene Chizik won a trophy as a HC.

So did Larry Coker, and Bobby Ross. No. Winning a National Championship does not give you an edge over a coach that does not.

Well, it does a little, but there have been some pretty bad coaches that have won national Championships.

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Nope, never once said anything remotely like that. Only that it's part of the job so it's retarded not to include in in the ranking.

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It is included already: in the output. If a coach doesn't win trophies, how he recruits doesn't matter. You want some kind of additional commendation for recruiting but it's already baked into the entire package: winning is the only thing that matters.

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And you can't get the outputs without the inputs which you keep ignoring.

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You just proved my whole point. Recruiting is only an input, not an output. The only thing that matters is the output.

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Coaches should be ranked by the total package which has a ton of variable.

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Coaches are ranked by winning. Period.

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And yet after getting his best class ever at Clemson he got blown out in the National Championship game. Don't get me wrong, I think Dabo is a great coach.

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And he's got 2 National Titles, so he can obviously put it all together. He's an elite Coach. No doubt.

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He just finished his fourth year as a head coach. I don't think we (Georgia fans) would deny that he has a lot to learn, but he is showing that he is learning.

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Of course he's learning. I think he's a great coach, but based on how great he recruits and the results so far, he has a lot to learn. He won't keep his seat from getting warm by just recruiting 5 starts. He needs to win some trophies.