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re: SEC exploring having basketball tournament at primary site
Posted on 5/29/13 at 3:02 pm to Chadaristic
Posted on 5/29/13 at 3:02 pm to Chadaristic
Play it in Hoover, Dothan, Daphne, or Spanish Fort. Satisfies the random Alabama city test used for baseball.
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Posted on 5/29/13 at 3:14 pm to parkjas2001
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Play it in Nashville or Atlanta or New Orleans
Posted on 5/29/13 at 4:06 pm to LaBR4
The baseball tourney in Hoover is a clusterfu*k for out of state fans that want to attend.
All the champipnships out to be bid out among major SEC cities/venues and have some rotation between SEC east and SEC west locations.
It is not equitable for certain groups of fans to always have built in travel advantages.
All the champipnships out to be bid out among major SEC cities/venues and have some rotation between SEC east and SEC west locations.
It is not equitable for certain groups of fans to always have built in travel advantages.
This post was edited on 5/29/13 at 4:09 pm
Posted on 5/31/13 at 8:33 am to Maroon Flash
JUST SAY NO to Tampa Bay in 2018. I mean why the frick would the sec go back to Tampa for this tourney????????? Just go full time Nashville, permanent not primary.
This post was edited on 5/31/13 at 8:35 am
Posted on 5/31/13 at 8:54 am to ProjectP2294
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Atlanta, Tampa, and New Orleans aren't SEC cities either.
Atlanta is a SEC and ACC city
New Orleans is a SEC city just to hard to get to and they jack prices for games
Tampa is not a SEC but somewhere in north FL might have a site
What makes ATL a great city is central location, hub airport, and more reasonable lodging costs. Downside is playing basketball in a football venue which I hate.
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Nashville is pretty much the only choice.
Nashville is centrally located to several of the primary basketball schools in the SEC. UK is 3-4 hours and it is a straight shot from Nashville to Little Rock on the interstate (if the Hogs ever get their shite together and get back to being good) so that is a plus. Vols and Vandy are close as well and if Mizzou winds up in the top 1/3 of the SEC they have drive advantage as well. Florida is good but how many Gators travel for basketball? Nashville is not a terrible drive for the AL and MS schools and the outliers of TAMU and USC do not have the greatest basketball history.
Posted on 5/31/13 at 8:59 am to Cheese Grits
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Atlanta is a SEC and ACC city
New Orleans is a SEC city just to hard to get to and they jack prices for games
He's saying neither has a SEC school based there. I think everyone is aware that there's a strong SEC fan presence in both cities.
Posted on 5/31/13 at 9:18 am to Cheese Grits
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What about Phillips?
I thought the same thing as well. Although, I have no issues using the Preds arena for the tourney anyway.
Posted on 5/31/13 at 9:20 am to IAmReality
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The SEC basketball tournament is kind of dumb imo.
It's nothing like the SEC Championship game, that involves 2 schools, 1 game, and both teams are playing for something very important.
I actually agree with this especially when the tournament is set up to be a "everybody gets a ribbon" environment geared at extracting money at the expense of quality or fan driven games.
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In any given year in a basketball season there are like 2-3 at most teams in the conference worth a damn and the other 10-11 are either terrible or mediocre.
The basketball tournament is 4 days long and you don't know how long your team will be in it, so why travel all that way if you're gonna get bounced first game.
I agree 100% and why I have always advocated fewer teams in the tournament but played in a baseball double elimination format. In my view put the best 4 or 8 teams in the conference in the tourney and then play a double elimination type system. This insures several things.
#1 games that actually matter between the better teams in the conference
#2 puts real value on the regular season to even make the post season
#3 means every fan base would get to see at least 2 games over the weekend played by their team
#4 eliminates weekday games so more fans can actually attend weekend games
#5 would show the SEC was well ahead of the rest of the country in terms of innovative thinking
#6 stands would be much more full in the early rounds so the games would look better on TV
You could do a 4 team weekend like this :
friday night
Game #1 = (1) seed vs (4) seed
Game #2 = (2) seed vs (3) seed
saturday
Game #3 = Game #1 loser vs Game #2 loser (elimination game)
saturday night
Game #4 = Game #3 winner vs lower seed of Game #1 or Game # 2 winner (elimination game)
sunday afternoon
Game #5 = Game #4 winner vs higher seed of Game #1 or Game # 2 winner (championship game game)
If you did 8 teams you follow a similar format but do it over 2 weekends. Maybe do the first weekend at host schools and do the following weekend at a fixed site like nashville.
Posted on 5/31/13 at 9:30 am to Cheese Grits
Until and unless the NCAA moves tournament games from football stadiums to arenas, the SECT should be played in the biggest possible building. Coach Cal wants the Cats in football stadiums as much as possible so they'll be able to adjust to those playing conditions before the tournament.
Any covered stadium within the SEC footprint is desirable. My preferences in order: Atlanta, St. Louis, New Orleans, St. Petersburg.
Any covered stadium within the SEC footprint is desirable. My preferences in order: Atlanta, St. Louis, New Orleans, St. Petersburg.
Posted on 5/31/13 at 9:32 am to Kentucker
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Until and unless the NCAA moves tournament games from football stadiums to arenas, the SECT should be played in the biggest possible building. Coach Cal wants the Cats in football stadiums as much as possible so they'll be able to adjust to those playing conditions before the tournament.
Any covered stadium within the SEC footprint is desirable. My preferences in order: Atlanta, St. Louis, New Orleans, St. Petersburg.
If the SECT comes back to NOLA, it will be played in the arena, not the dome. Just like it was last time.
Posted on 5/31/13 at 9:34 am to BluegrassBelle
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But St. Louis will.
I actually agree with you that Louisville not hosting the SEC tourney is beyond retarded. The Big 12 caved long long ago and realized the ku/Mizzou/K-State triangle around Kansas City was its basketball epicenter and let that place host more tourneys than anywhere else. Why the SEC would not get the memo and not honor its flagship basketball school by playing the tourney in a perfectly acceptable venue in your state, I have no idea.
The basketball fervor in the SEC, such as it is, exists around UK (ahead of everyone else by a wide margin) then Vandy, Arky, Mizzou as teams that will always genuinely give a sh** about hoops. Because of those four programs (and Tennessee when the Vols are good) an SEC tournament in Louisville is a no brainer, but I would add that those fanbases will make the event in STL pretty well attended too. It will be primarily a UK/Mizzou/Arky show of fan support in STL, again with Tennessee in there too if they are good. Simple fact is though, if you hold the tournament in N'awlins, Atlanta, Birmingham or Tampa or the like, the local fans down there are not going to support it. Florida fans somewhat if its local. But the other traditional SEC cities aren't gonna show up in force for it. May as well give the Yanks a shot.
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Posted on 5/31/13 at 9:35 am to Cheese Grits
If they are going to have a permanent site for the tourney, Nashville is as good a spot as any. I personally think all of these tourneys should rotate around the conference, but Slive clearly disagrees.
Posted on 5/31/13 at 9:41 am to sbrian3915
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If they are going to have a permanent site for the tourney, Nashville is as good a spot as any. I personally think all of these tourneys should rotate around the conference, but Slive clearly disagrees.
Seeing as how Slive has expanded the conference to cover one-fourth of the country's geographic footprint now, you would think he would understand that rotating venues are sort of an obvious solution. A permanent football championship game location is one thing, since by definition its a championship game and the winner almost always plays for the NC, so fans will travel in droves from anywhere for that. On the other hand, fans in Florida and Texas are not gonna travel all the way to Nashville for a Thursday afternoon matchup between a 6 seed and an 11 seed in the SEC hoops tourney first round.
Posted on 5/31/13 at 9:59 am to Mizzou Fan in Da ATX
Vandy doesn't have enough alumni/students to get a vote even if they do care about basketball as you say.
Posted on 5/31/13 at 10:09 am to roadGator
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Vandy doesn't have enough alumni/students to get a vote even if they do care about basketball as you say.
You do realize the Dores had the biggest and best venue in the SEC until UK built Rupp right? NCC seats in Memorial are not exactly cheap and Vandy probably has better long term attendance numbers than O'Connell. Also, you do know that many of the Vandy season ticket holders are neither alumni or students but employee's of the university who are loyal in following / supporting the team.
Posted on 5/31/13 at 10:13 am to Cheese Grits
Great, another Vandy Knight.
Vandy still gets no vote.
Vandy still gets no vote.
Posted on 5/31/13 at 10:17 am to Mizzou Fan in Da ATX
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Seeing as how Slive has expanded the conference to cover one-fourth of the country's geographic footprint now, you would think he would understand that rotating venues are sort of an obvious solution.
Obvious to who? Have you been to a SEC basketball tourney and actually seen who is sitting in the seats? Why would you have it in say Houston when the majority of the fans who actually travel are far away and the closer teams will not send large numbers of folks. A place like Tampa is close to nobody and the closest team (Gators) do not travel well for basketball. If you want to view this logically then rank the SEC schools based on fans traveling and home venue attendance from 1 to 14 (with 1 being best or UK) and then look at locations that fit well with the 1 - 6 schools.
Just guessing but Tampa and Houston would be terrible for SEC travel numbers for college basketball.
Posted on 5/31/13 at 10:19 am to roadGator
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Great, another Vandy Knight.
great name for a band, Vandy Knight and the Pimps.
Posted on 5/31/13 at 10:30 am to Cheese Grits
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You do realize the Dores had the biggest and best venue in the SEC until UK built Rupp right?
The opera house was the biggest venue in the SEC?
Posted on 5/31/13 at 10:38 am to ProjectP2294
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The opera house was the biggest venue in the SEC?
Memorial was usually in the Top 10 every year in the country in attendance. Go back and look at the old NCAA data if you can still find it. UK's Memorial was smaller than Vandy's by like 500 seats or more if I remember correctly.
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