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SEC Expansion History Quality: What athletic department was worth it?
Posted on 5/9/25 at 9:43 am
Posted on 5/9/25 at 9:43 am
SEC original expansion added South Carolina and Arkansas in 1991-92. A second expansion came 20 years later adding Texas A&M and Missouri. A third expansion this past year adding Oklahoma and Texas. Our sample size is very minimal on the newest members, but still curious to see how their first years have been.
Note: Oklahoma, Texas, Texas A&M, and Arkansas still have opportunities to add to their national title amounts in the next month or two. Outdoor T&F in both mens and womens, softball, and baseball are some of the top sports still ongoing.
University of Arkansas
National Titles: 40
University of South Carolina
National Titles: 6
University of Texas
National Titles: 1
University of Oklahoma
National Titles: 1
Texas A&M University
National Titles: 4
University of Missouri
National Titles: 0
Note: Oklahoma, Texas, Texas A&M, and Arkansas still have opportunities to add to their national title amounts in the next month or two. Outdoor T&F in both mens and womens, softball, and baseball are some of the top sports still ongoing.
University of Arkansas
National Titles: 40
University of South Carolina
National Titles: 6
University of Texas
National Titles: 1
University of Oklahoma
National Titles: 1
Texas A&M University
National Titles: 4
University of Missouri
National Titles: 0
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Posted on 5/9/25 at 9:48 am to Hawgeye
BUT.....Missouri had 10 wins! 10!!!
Posted on 5/9/25 at 10:24 am to N0T SURE
we have a national title in baseball and a few more we could claim in basketball but don't
Posted on 5/9/25 at 11:15 am to Hawgeye
Well, I suppose you could measure it that way, but the people in charge measure it in $$$.
Adding A&M and Mizzou in 2012 gave Slive the extra leverage needed to negotiate and launch the SEC network in an unprecedented deal (at the time), enriching ALL SEC schools.
There’s plenty of articles on it. You ought to read a few.
Adding A&M and Mizzou in 2012 gave Slive the extra leverage needed to negotiate and launch the SEC network in an unprecedented deal (at the time), enriching ALL SEC schools.
There’s plenty of articles on it. You ought to read a few.
Posted on 5/9/25 at 11:26 am to Hawgeye
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University of Arkansas
National Titles: 40
Are we going to see more of these types of posts the closer we get to football season?
Posted on 5/9/25 at 11:29 am to Hawgeye
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What athletic department was worth it?
None of them. Bring back the original 10
Posted on 5/9/25 at 11:30 am to CelticTiger
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Well, I suppose you could measure it that way, but the people in charge measure it in $$$.
This is all anyone gives a crap about. The college football world was eating itself and conferences that wanted to survive had to expand.
Prideful groups like the Pac-10 . . . .absolutely bristling with natties in every sport big and small, went belly up. The SEC would have broken apart as well if they could not offer their member schools the best payday.
This post was edited on 5/9/25 at 11:31 am
Posted on 5/9/25 at 11:57 am to Hawgeye
Will be interesting to look at these numbers in 10-20 years.
Posted on 5/9/25 at 12:13 pm to Windy City
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The SEC would have broken apart as well if they could not offer their member schools the best payday.
Yep.
You either expand or lose.
Posted on 5/9/25 at 12:30 pm to Faurot fodder
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Are we going to see more of these types of posts the closer we get to football season?
Either way, Missouri remains at zero.
Posted on 5/9/25 at 12:39 pm to Hawgeye
We got some good baseball and basketball games after adding South Carolina and Arkansas. We got two blue bloods with Texas and Oklahoma. We got nothing but gayer with the other two.
Posted on 5/9/25 at 12:41 pm to Hawgeye
The Cocks IMO...
If only for Steven Garcia and the Old Ball Coach...
Outstanding years in SEC FB...
If only for Steven Garcia and the Old Ball Coach...
Outstanding years in SEC FB...
Posted on 5/9/25 at 1:33 pm to Hawgeye
incorrect
Posted on 5/9/25 at 2:43 pm to RD Dawg
I’m glad it worked out like it did, because coast to coast travel would have been stupid, but it was ultimately going to be the sec or the big 10 for Texas/OU. That would have been a huge financial advantage for the Big10 schools.
Posted on 5/9/25 at 2:49 pm to CelticTiger
That + CU/NU leaving was also the first step in getting rid of the Big12 as a competitor. Delaney wanted the Big12 dead. And when Texas started looking west he begged everyone to pump the breaks on expansion. He claimed it was about the sport. But it was really about making sure with the big12 dying that the pac12 wouldn’t be a major player.
Posted on 5/9/25 at 3:01 pm to Windy City
The Pac12 also got played by Delaney.
Like any business, consolidation in college football can eliminate competition. Delaney and Slive worked to ensure if teams were competing for titles, they did it under SEC/Big10 banners.
You can imagine that 2012 a&m team churning through the big12. Maybe they get left out anyway. But anyway: they didn’t compete against the SEC for a spot. They competed in the SEC for a title.
Like any business, consolidation in college football can eliminate competition. Delaney and Slive worked to ensure if teams were competing for titles, they did it under SEC/Big10 banners.
You can imagine that 2012 a&m team churning through the big12. Maybe they get left out anyway. But anyway: they didn’t compete against the SEC for a spot. They competed in the SEC for a title.
This post was edited on 5/9/25 at 3:03 pm
Posted on 5/9/25 at 3:35 pm to Hawgeye
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University of Arkansas National Titles: 40
Congrats on the exercising medals.
Posted on 5/9/25 at 4:21 pm to Hawgeye
Threads like these are how you know Arkansas fans have totally given up on their football program. Let's try these stats since each expansion team joined:
Arkansas
Conference winning percentage: 39.4% (105-159-2) (-10.1% to Missouri)
Average total wins per season: 6.2 (-1.2 to Missouri)
Percentage of seasons with 10+ wins: 9% (-21.8% to Missouri)
Percentage of seasons with conference championship appearance: 9% (-6.4% to Missouri)
Record vs. Mizzou: 2-9
Missouri
Conference winning percentage: 49.5% (52-53) (+10.1% to Arkansas)
Average total wins per season: 7.4 (+1.2 to Arkansas)
Percentage of seasons with 10+ wins: 30.8% (+21.8% to Arkansas)
Percentage of seasons with conference championship appearance: 15.4% (+6.4% to Arkansas)
Record vs. Arkansas: 9-2
Arkansas
Conference winning percentage: 39.4% (105-159-2) (-10.1% to Missouri)
Average total wins per season: 6.2 (-1.2 to Missouri)
Percentage of seasons with 10+ wins: 9% (-21.8% to Missouri)
Percentage of seasons with conference championship appearance: 9% (-6.4% to Missouri)
Record vs. Mizzou: 2-9
Missouri
Conference winning percentage: 49.5% (52-53) (+10.1% to Arkansas)
Average total wins per season: 7.4 (+1.2 to Arkansas)
Percentage of seasons with 10+ wins: 30.8% (+21.8% to Arkansas)
Percentage of seasons with conference championship appearance: 15.4% (+6.4% to Arkansas)
Record vs. Arkansas: 9-2
This post was edited on 5/9/25 at 4:21 pm
Posted on 5/9/25 at 4:38 pm to BreakawayZou83
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Record vs. Mizzou: 2-9
In fairness, this needs to include an asterisk reminding everyone that they don’t care about playing Missouri.
Posted on 5/9/25 at 6:00 pm to MU91
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incorrect
Really? What nationals titles has Missouri won since joining the SEC?
Every new member has contributed to the conference…besides Missouri.
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