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Posted on 12/27/20 at 1:34 pm to dchog
Foul Ballll! Now...GTFO
Posted on 12/27/20 at 1:42 pm to momentoftruth87
Alabama's facilities used to be garbage. It's nowhere near the top in the SEC, but I'm glad we addressed the issues and got a new stadium + batting facility. Hopefully Bohannon can turn it around.
Posted on 12/27/20 at 1:57 pm to lefty08
They are still good. They just aren't John McDonnell good. Those years are gone and I doubt we will ever see a dominant run like that again.
Posted on 12/27/20 at 1:57 pm to Taco Truck
Go get it yourself! I'm taking a nap.
Posted on 12/27/20 at 2:02 pm to gohogs141
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Baseball may be a bit different since it’s not single elimination but you’re still behind the 8 ball if you even lose one game.
losing one game early in the CWS completely screws your pitching staff the remainder of the CWS. Even if you play your way through to the title series, you won't have any regular arms left. Happened to us in 2017.
Posted on 12/27/20 at 2:03 pm to Vandyrone
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I’ll ask again, if Corbin says it, is he a liar too?
yes. Not sure why Vandy baseball fans always get so defensive about it either. You have a great advantage and have used it to help your program win. There's nothing wrong with it, but pretending no advantage exists is just silly
This post was edited on 12/27/20 at 2:05 pm
Posted on 12/27/20 at 2:06 pm to JetDawg
quote:Been saying this for a while, but it is a Goddamn travesty that GTU is the primer college baseball program in this state.
Hate to say it, but UGA has one of the worst facilities, not to mention, the smallest stadium in the SEC. Not sure if they could expand it if they wanted -- it's hemmed in on all sides. They would have to build a new facility from scratch.
Posted on 12/27/20 at 2:21 pm to Vandyrone
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A State fan of course. Willful ignorance.
It wouldn't be an SEC Rant baseball thread without this.
Posted on 12/27/20 at 2:21 pm to lsufball19
When North Carolina beat Oregon State 8-6 in the first game. I was hopeful that they would get knocked out early. But they won out in the losers bracket.
I was thinking that we might have an advantage. Well we had a rain delay and Oregon State benefited from it than us.
That was when reality hit that we had no chance once our arms ran out and they would win with a superior pitching staff.
I was thinking that we might have an advantage. Well we had a rain delay and Oregon State benefited from it than us.
That was when reality hit that we had no chance once our arms ran out and they would win with a superior pitching staff.
Posted on 12/27/20 at 2:27 pm to lsufball19
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yes. Not sure why Vandy baseball fans always get so defensive about it either. You have a great advantage and have used it to help your program win. There's nothing wrong with it, but pretending no advantage exists is just silly
5 of the starting 9 of Vanderbilt’s 2019 national championship team paid at least $15K each out of pocket on average that year to cover tuition costs at Vanderbilt (one paid $35K). They’re paying equal to or more out-of-pocket to attend Vanderbilt than they would to attend most other schools. The advantage is more of an educational advantage than a financial advantage if they’re willing to pay that much out of pocket to attend Vanderbilt. And yes, that educational advantage is a great one.
Posted on 12/27/20 at 3:03 pm to Vandyrone
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5 of the starting 9 of Vanderbilt’s 2019 national championship team paid at least $15K each out of pocket on average that year to cover tuition costs at Vanderbilt
So about 1/5 or less of the total cost of attendance at Vandy? LSU out of state tuition is ~$30k. So LSU would need to burn half a scholarship on an OOS player to provide what Vandy's least fortunate roster players had to do. You're not really proving your point here
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The advantage is more of an educational advantage than a financial advantage
it's both. Vandy isn't regularly convincing 1st round picks every year to turn down several million dollars and then asking them pay $15k+/year to attend Vanderbilt.
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Posted on 12/27/20 at 3:24 pm to lsufball19
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You're not really proving your point here
I am actually. It’s been stated several times in this thread that Vanderbilt offers nothing but full ride baseball scholarships to players and that’s simply not close to being true. The $70K+ annual tuition cost is a steep starting point. And even after partial scholarships and need-based assistance, many players are still paying 4-5 figures out of pocket annually based on family financial demographics (yes, even first round picks and both 1-1s).
ETA: And please don’t pretend that your schools don’t also offer supplemental financial aid beyond the 11.7.
This post was edited on 12/27/20 at 3:33 pm
Posted on 12/27/20 at 4:13 pm to Vandyrone
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4-5 figures out of pocket annually
you realize players at other schools are still, on average, paying more than Vandy players right? 4 figures? Is this really your counter-argument? Despite every single player on Vandy's roster not being on a full ride (which I don't think most people claim when discussing their advantages) does not refute the notion that they are getting more financial benefits than other programs in this league. That point seems to be sailing over your head for whatever reason or is some attempt to move the goal posts.
I am very well aware how Vandy's financial aid packages work. It's a sliding scale based on household income. It's available to all students, not just athletes. I can't remember the exact thresholds for how much players receive, but I do recall the threshold for getting most of the cost of attendance paid for was in line with a pretty average middle-class household income.
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ETA: And please don’t pretend that your schools don’t also offer supplemental financial aid beyond the 11.7.
I'm not. Players in states with lottery funded scholarships can offer benefits to in-state students. Ole Miss, State, Alabama, Auburn, Texas A&M and Missouri do not have those in their state, so they aren't able to supplement in that manner. In-state Vandy recruits also qualify for Hope in TN as well as financial aid.
This post was edited on 12/27/20 at 4:14 pm
Posted on 12/27/20 at 4:24 pm to lsufball19
How much do you believe other SEC school’s players are paying out of pocket per year once you factor in in-state vs out of state and other supplemental assistance? You seem to believe that it is substantially more than what Vanderbilt players are paying per year out of pocket.
Posted on 12/27/20 at 5:59 pm to Vandyrone
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You seem to believe that it is substantially more than what Vanderbilt players are paying per year out of pocket.
Because it is. Let’s take out of state tuition plus living costs for a student at LSU. That’s going to be in the ballpark of 45k with OOS tuition being around 30k. So let’s take the minimum of 25% scholarship for player A. Player A is receiving $7,500 in scholarship money and paying $37,500. Now we’ll do the same for an OOS player receiving a 50% scholarship. That player receives $15,000 and pays out $30,000. Now let’s do in-state for a player on 25% scholarship who doesn’t receive TOPS. That’s $12,000 for in state tuition so that player receives $3000 and pays out that extra $9000 plus an additional ~$15,000 for living expenses, books, etc. Thats still $24,000/year out of pocket.
For a player at a state school that has a lottery scholarship, you’re going to need to get more than 25% of a scholarship AND be an in state student AND qualify academically for a lottery scholarship to compare to the benefit packages available to ALL Vandy players from any state in the country. Do you not see how much that puts Vandy ahead in the recruiting world? Sure, they have the academic side to sell, but that combined with the financial incentive and being able to recruit the same all over the country provides an advantage no one else in this conference can compete with.
I mean kudos to Corbin for utilizing this to build the program he has, but to pretend Vandy doesn’t have an inherent advantage is intellectually dishonest.
This post was edited on 12/27/20 at 6:01 pm
Posted on 12/27/20 at 6:08 pm to Tuscaloosa
The folks down voting Tuscaloosa over the travel ball statement have obviously spent an arse of money on that crap.
Posted on 12/27/20 at 6:16 pm to UKWildcats
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When people criticize Vandy for being shitty at other sports, they need to look at baseball and realize what Vandy CAN do if they actually want to. For whatever reason their administration loves baseball and hasn't spared any expense to make them competitive.
baseball is much closer to a level playing field.
with scholly limits and private schools able to offer full ride legacy deals, your chances of success in baseball is MUCH greater than the other sports.
you still have to sink money into it, but baseball prices small and private schools can absolutely compete when not playing against a stacked deck.
Vandy is smart to heavily invest in only baseball.
it’s the one sport you can be dominant in if you spend your money there (and spend it correctly obviously).
Posted on 12/27/20 at 6:47 pm to lsufball19
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Because it is. Let’s take out of state tuition plus living costs for a student at LSU. That’s going to be in the ballpark of 45k with OOS tuition being around 30k. So let’s take the minimum of 25% scholarship for player A. Player A is receiving $7,500 in scholarship money and paying $37,500. Now we’ll do the same for an OOS player receiving a 50% scholarship. That player receives $15,000 and pays out $30,000. Now let’s do in-state for a player on 25% scholarship who doesn’t receive TOPS. That’s $12,000 for in state tuition so that player receives $3000 and pays out that extra $9000 plus an additional ~$15,000 for living expenses, books, etc. Thats still $24,000/year out of pocket.
So $24K-$30K out of pocket for LSU. That’s comparable to the 5 specific dollar amounts that Corbin specified for starters on the championship team ($15K, $17K, $25K, $30K, $35K) in his interview last year. And those are just starters, not the other players on the roster. Comparable out of pocket costs. That’s the point.
You’re hung up on the tuition amount. It could be $7K, $70K or $700K. Ultimately, they’re all bachelors degrees and what it comes down to when a baseball coach sits in front of a family is the family asking, “how much do we have to pay?”.
Now if you want to claim that part of that Vanderbilt tuition benefit is playing for Corbin, the developmental facilities referenced in the OP and playing for championships, I’ll give you that.
Posted on 12/27/20 at 7:14 pm to Vandyrone
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You’re hung up on the tuition amount. It could be $7K, $70K or $700K. Ultimately, they’re all bachelors degrees and what it comes down to when a baseball coach sits in front of a family is the family asking, “how much do we have to pay?”.
The amount is pretty important when they’re also turning down money to play college ball. It’s absolutely a very relevant factor.
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Now if you want to claim that part of that Vanderbilt tuition benefit is playing for Corbin, the developmental facilities referenced in the OP and playing for championships, I’ll give you that.
I never said the financial benefits were the only factor. Not sure why you’re taking it that way. There are several schools in the SEC that are on the opposite end of the spectrum and have an inherent disadvantage from the mean. Ole Miss, State, Auburn, Alabama, and Missouri have no scholarship fund to supplement players, so if you take the lower end in those schools and compare them to Vandy with the most advantages, then the gap does become pretty significant.
This post was edited on 12/27/20 at 7:16 pm
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