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Posted on 1/11/23 at 12:48 pm to Dstllsu
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Doesn't necessarily mean anyone on Georgia should win it. The best player on that offense is Bowers.
Bowers accounted for 9.7% of our offensive scoring and 12.4% of our offensive yards.
There are obvious reasons why Stetson is the mvp.
Kenny McIntosh actually led the team in yards (829 rushing and 504 receiving) and scoring (10 TDs rushing and 2 TDs receiving).
You may want to rethink how you define our best players.
Posted on 1/11/23 at 1:06 pm to djsdawg
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Uga fans don’t vote for the heisman, or CHAMPIONSHIP game MVP’s, so this is the low level retard logic.
Didn't even infer they did... just saying he went from underrated to overrated by his own fanbase.
Think about how many qbs would look good in a game where they're untouched and the offense averages like 7 yds a carry.
From what I saw, Washington is the most terrifying player on that offense when he's healthy. That doesn't show on the stat sheet but he's a monster
Posted on 1/11/23 at 1:14 pm to FooManChoo
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but waiting until after the bowls and playoffs gives a good comparison
If a team doesn't make the playoffs then the best players on the team will sit out to remain healthy for the NFL draft or transfer destination. Won't be apples to apples comparison for all.
12-13 games is enough time to determine who the Heisman should be.
Posted on 1/11/23 at 1:36 pm to FooManChoo
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Good for him, but waiting until after the bowls and playoffs gives a good comparison for how those best players play in the biggest games.
No, it gives a good comparison of how the best players who happen to be on the best teams play in the biggest games.
Massive difference.
Posted on 1/11/23 at 1:39 pm to FooManChoo
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Good for him, but waiting until after the bowls and playoffs gives a good comparison for how those best players play in the biggest games. Stroud, Duggan, and Bennett could be further compared to Williams based on their individual performances in those extra games to see if anyone nudges the scales in their favors compared to playing a regular season and potentially a conference championship.
It really just all depends on how you want to define it. Could you be the best player in college football on a crappy team? Maybe. I do get that with all the bowls now the likelihood of the best player in CFB not being in a post-season contest is not great, but I suppose it could happen.
However, cutting off at the end of the regular season seems to be the preferred or prevailing method—both MLB and the NFL vote at the end of the regular season as well.
Posted on 1/11/23 at 1:40 pm to VoxDawg
No. Bennet should not have won the heisman.
Posted on 1/11/23 at 1:47 pm to Dstllsu
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Didn't even infer they did...
Of course you did. You said nobody, yet it’s many.
Posted on 1/11/23 at 1:50 pm to Maravich
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Stetsons a modern day AJ McCarron, but georgia fans aren’t ready for that conversation
Did I miss something about AJ McCarron being a bad QB? I felt like he was solid a junior and senior year.
Also, Stetson threw for 1,000 more yards this season than AJ did in his best year.
Posted on 1/11/23 at 2:01 pm to rockchlkjayhku11
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really? cause bryce young had a roster that was every bit as good and he lost twice
True. And I didn't watch but 15 min of UGA games. And what isaw if stetson was really good.. But Bryce has a OC that thinks that there is higher percentage of completion if you have 2..maybe 3 receivers run routes that put them within 5 ft of each other..20 yds down field. The sugar bowl was BoBs best game and Bama still had routes that players ran into each other.
Posted on 1/11/23 at 2:09 pm to Dstllsu
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Stop trying to give individual awards for team success. Stetson isn't even the best player on his own squad
What's up, Nicole?
That's not very retraction-y of you to say that.
Posted on 1/11/23 at 2:19 pm to geauxnavybeatbama
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Anyone could have been successful with that roster
Alabama's is rated higher and they didn't make the playoffs. I think Ohio State is ranked very close and Bennett beat Stroud. I think most would say Stroud had better receivers.
I mean, I guess you can have a conversation, or you can troll.
I'm not saying Stetson Bennett should be the Heisman winner. I am saying that what the guys said might be right. Stetson had great games against the 2 highest ranked teams in the country.
He is the only player to be named MVP in four playoff games.
Posted on 1/11/23 at 2:22 pm to geauxnavybeatbama
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He just doesn’t have it
He has four MVP awards from CFP games.
He has face quality competition and come out ahead. Including Ohio State, Alabama, Michigan and TCU. At some point you might need to start thinking that you just might be wrong.
No. I don't think he will make a great NFL QB.
No. I don't think he will become an NFL starter. But he is an excellent college QB. One of the best.
Posted on 1/11/23 at 2:23 pm to DawgsLife
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He is the only player to be named MVP in four playoff games.
Homeboy's batting 1.000 at CFP MVP trophies.
Posted on 1/11/23 at 2:24 pm to wadewilson
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No, it gives a good comparison of how the best players who happen to be on the best teams play in the biggest games.
Massive difference.
So Burrow was not all that after all? Wasn't he surrounded by great talent? Apparently he wasn't very good.
Stop belittling Bennett based on the talent around him. He still made some great throws into tight windows. And yes...the talent around him helped him, just like the talent around every other player helps them.
Posted on 1/11/23 at 2:25 pm to Dstllsu
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he went from underrated to overrated by his own fanbase.
How many games does UGA win in 2022 without Bennett's dynamic play at QB? (Hint: It most assuredly ISN'T 15).
Posted on 1/11/23 at 2:32 pm to VoxDawg
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Homeboy's batting 1.000 at CFP MVP trophies.
'Zachery. Again, I don't think he should win the Heisman, but it does make sense to wait until the season is over. Let's see just how good these guys are against the best competition.
It makes sense.
Posted on 1/11/23 at 2:35 pm to wadewilson
quote:I don't understand the complaint here. How many times has the Heisman gone to someone on the 100th ranked team? 2017 was the last time someone was a finalist for a team not even in the top 25 (Lamar Jackson/Louisville), and the only time in the playoff era. The best players are almost always on one of the best teams, and that makes sense since those players need good teams around them to make themselves look better.
No, it gives a good comparison of how the best players who happen to be on the best teams play in the biggest games.
The reason why a Heisman finalist is one is because they are playing outstanding football, and it's hard to do that on a team that outright stinks game after game. Heisman finalists almost always come from top 25 teams because those teams are able to consistently showcase the individual talent throughout the season.
Also, those finalists almost always have an opportunity to play at least one extra game, whether that be a playoff game or a non-playoff bowl game, especially since even teams with losing records find themselves in bowl games.
Another thing to think about is regular season schedule. As has been pointed out, UGA has an easy schedule next season. It's a prime schedule to use to boost the Heisman chances of a player on the team, like Brock Bowers. It's also a prime schedule for controversy, as many people may look at the easy schedule and say that UGA isn't as good as the numbers suggest, or that the players (a potential Heisman contender) aren't as good as they seem due to the lack of challenge. Playing in the SECCG and the playoffs is a great opportunity to prove both the greatness of the team as well as the greatness of the players up for awards. If someone looks like a super star against FCS teams but can't hang with good teams, are they really as good as they seem?
Posted on 1/11/23 at 2:39 pm to VoxDawg
I agree. Can't give out 'season' awards when the season isn't finished, IMO.
It they did it this way, Tebow would have gone back to back in 07 and 08, Stetson probably gets it this year. Maybe Stroud. He was nails against Georgia.
It they did it this way, Tebow would have gone back to back in 07 and 08, Stetson probably gets it this year. Maybe Stroud. He was nails against Georgia.
Posted on 1/11/23 at 2:48 pm to FooManChoo
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How many times has the Heisman gone to someone on the 100th ranked team?
It's gone to players not on an elite team and who didn't play an elite team in their bowl games plenty.
Lamar Jackson 2016 - team was 9-4 and played 8-4 LSU in the Citrus Bowl
Johnny Manziel 2012 - team was 11-2 and played 10-3 Oklahoma in the Cotton Bowl
RGIII 2011 - team was 11-3 and played 7-6 Washington in the Alamo Bowl
Ron Dayne 1999 - team was 11-2 and played 8-4 Stanford in the Rose Bowl
Ricky Williams 1998 - team was 9-3 and played 8-5 Miss State in the Cotton Bowl
If you include the CFP, that gives some players as many as 2 more games (conference championship games plus 2 CFP games) than others.
Every sports league I'm aware of only includes the regular season games for season awards. Why should college football be different?
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