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re: Saban tells players to put their politics aside, they are going to White House
Posted on 4/10/18 at 3:48 pm to oman
Posted on 4/10/18 at 3:48 pm to oman
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There wouldn't be an issue with going to see Carter, or the Bushes or Bil Clinton, or Obama, because none of those folks would have had the PERSONALITIES, not the POLITICS, that this clown has shown over and over -- at events like this.
First of all, this has always been an issue. There is a long history of athletes who avoided the White House because of their personal politics. Trump has just made it so that kind of statement is seen as "inspiring" instead of being seen as disrespectful.
And to your point- two wrongs don't make a right. Just because the president is a jackass doesn't make you a hero if you flip off Air Force One, it just makes you a jackass like him.
In fact I would say that disrespecting Trump is kinda like a NBA player dunking on a 4th grader basketball hoop- it isn't special and it shouldn't be applauded.
Who should be applauded are people like those men in your picture who can take the disrespect that Trump dishes out for the office and ignore that out of respect for our institutions. The people that should be applauded are those who act like the the presidency still matters and that going to the White House is a big deal, if only because they will be the only people who won't be hypocrites when someone the world actually respects occupies the White House again one day.
The people who should be applauded are those who focus on the politics and separate it from the personalities, because the personalities are temporary. Democrats are too busy screaming at how terrible Trump is, or who he is disrespecting, to stop a tax reform bill that is the biggest handout to the top 1% we have seen since the word "Reaganomics" was invented. But its ok, some athletes disrespected the president so all's right with the world. I retweeted that SNL skit that made fun of Trump, that means I am part of the solution!
At least in the 1990's when Washington D.C sometimes felt like the inmates were running the asylum it was ok because some crazy people can still be very smart in an evil sort of way. Now it feels like the kind of people who are scared of vaccines or who love professional wrestling because they think its real call the shots and we are all worse off for it.
This post was edited on 4/10/18 at 3:51 pm
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Posted on 4/10/18 at 3:51 pm to Irons Puppet
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Saban did what every coach in the SEC would have done, most would not have advertised it.
Not every coach. Didn't the South Carolina women's basketball team refuse recently? Or maybe you were talking about only football?
Posted on 4/10/18 at 3:57 pm to SummerOfGeorge
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There is nothing on this planet that grinds my gears more than blatant intellectual dishonesty, and it's basically what is running the country these days.
Yep and is why I read several news outlet everyday to gather the truth, or as close as I can get to it. It's sad I have to go through abc, cbs, foxnews, CNN,wsj, ny times, daily mail, Reuters and USA Today just to get to the root of the issue. I just read the AJC about Alabama visit and they have the term "honored" in quotes. Like you can't just simply be proud to go to the White House, there must be a political leaning in some way. So now that Alabama was "honored" to go then they all must be right wingers
It's insanity.
Posted on 4/10/18 at 3:57 pm to Tillman
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i'd let college age kids decide for themselves. Its their free time.
Young people need guidance and make bad choices. If someone skipped, I'm sure they’d regret the amazing opportunity they had to be able to make a memory none of us will ever have.
Posted on 4/10/18 at 3:58 pm to Irons Puppet
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Saban did what every coach in the SEC would have done, most would not have advertised it.
Well it's only a recent thing that whole teams started avoiding he White House visit, or atleast became a trend. It used to be a simple cool trip to meet the president. Once in a lifetime.
This post was edited on 4/10/18 at 4:01 pm
Posted on 4/10/18 at 3:59 pm to SummerOfGeorge
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Reluctant to admit what, exactly? Most college coaches would tell their team they are going? I have no reluctance to admit that. Yes, they would. Again, nobody is asking for Saban to get a medal here. If Kirby Smart was doing the same thing (which he would) or Gus Malzahn (which he would) we'd all be saying that was a solid move. Anything else?
No, it would be expected of them. It was the only move considering the demographics of his fan base. It would be deserving of a medal if he felt so strongly for his players being able to freely express themselves despite the repercussions of the fans, that he let them express themselves respectfully. But he did what everyone would have done in that situation.
Posted on 4/10/18 at 3:59 pm to Irons Puppet
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How would it have been received in Alabama if they would have refused to go or he allowed players to protest in any way? Saban did what every coach in the SEC would have done, most would not have advertised it.
Thanks for your usual negative opinion.
Sorry that your coach will likely never be able to show us all how he would handle such a situation.
Posted on 4/10/18 at 4:00 pm to DawgsLife
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Not every coach. Didn't the South Carolina women's basketball team refuse recently? Or maybe you were talking about only football?
Football mainly, but still pretty gutsy. My guess is she received a lot of pushback for that stand.
Posted on 4/10/18 at 4:02 pm to Sid E Walker
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Thanks for your usual negative opinion. Sorry that your coach will likely never be able to show us all how he would handle such a situation.
Not negative, just stating the facts. You want to give Saban credit for this stance, but I do not think he had much of a choice (being a smart coach).
Posted on 4/10/18 at 4:04 pm to Irons Puppet
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It would be deserving of a medal if he felt so strongly for his players being able to freely express themselves despite the repercussions of the fans
I don't care two squats about Bama fans but I'm quite full up on free expression by teens and early 20's folk- like to the tip top full.
I think it's funny that sometimes we pat their baby butts and call them kids but then turn around and pretend that their opinion makes a shite.
Posted on 4/10/18 at 4:08 pm to DawgsLife
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I'm not going to get in the middle of y'alls discussion, but you don't think Dan Rather's portrayal of George Bush's military service was a lie? I mean, even after he was told the documents were forged he continued to push the story.
Or Brian Ross' report that Flynn was going to testify against trump causing the Dow to plunge 350 points?
Those two are just off the top of my head.
The Dan Rather story was just bad journalism and cost him his job. Brian Ross was rebuked by his own boss and lost his job covering Trump. How on Earth is that "intentionally crossing the line"?
Posted on 4/10/18 at 4:10 pm to PurpleandGeauld
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One example is reporting exit polls results. These numbers are unverifiable. But they can influence election outcomes by encouraging/discouraging West coast voters to go vote/to not bother to vote.
They are absolutely verifiable, compare them to the results at the poll to test validity. You can run your own exit poll if you want to.
Posted on 4/10/18 at 4:12 pm to cardboardboxer
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And to your point- two wrongs don't make a right. Just because the president is a jackass doesn't make you a hero if you flip off Air Force One, it just makes you a jackass like him.
I don't have any idea what aspect of Trump would piss someone off. I would assume that each of them has a reason. And not accepting an invitation isn't a "wrong". It's just not accepting an invitation.
I don't know much about college athletes who have snubbed the president but there is a history of professional athletes doing so.
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In fact I would say that disrespecting Trump is kinda like a NBA player dunking on a 4th grader basketball hoop- it isn't special and it shouldn't be applauded.
I would say disrespecting Trump the man is like disrespecting any particular pussygrabbing guy who would take out an advertisement wanting to convict innocent black guys and prolonging a bullshite protest against a black American President, or who is sowing discord in Texas among Hispanics and Anglos. Who needs comparisons?
I've got no problem with someone who thinks the office is being disrespected by not going. I think its a fine academic argument, but I think it ignores some of the unique actions by this President.
This post was edited on 4/10/18 at 4:19 pm
Posted on 4/10/18 at 4:17 pm to oman
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I've got no problem with someone who thinks the office is being disrespected by not going. I think its a fine academic argument, but I think it ignores some of the unique actions by this President.
Meh, I wonder who Chizik voted for. Just go, enjoy the pagentry, smile, leave. Skipping isn't going to solve anything. Looks petty if anything.
Posted on 4/10/18 at 4:19 pm to Rhino5
Weed is legal in DC...Saban privately explained that so they could get high.
Posted on 4/10/18 at 4:20 pm to Rhino5
Looks petty to anyone looking for it to look petty.
To most of us it doesn't matter, or we simply acknowledge that everyone walks in different shoes.
Some people just want to be triggered.
To most of us it doesn't matter, or we simply acknowledge that everyone walks in different shoes.
Some people just want to be triggered.
This post was edited on 4/10/18 at 4:26 pm
Posted on 4/10/18 at 4:49 pm to Tiger n Miami AU83
That was a short work day!..you sure you don't work for the govt? What you've posted is a total load of bullshite. You may have a "1st and only" heavier workload with the new code this year, or the international aspect of your business may create other problems, I don't know, but for the HUGE majority of the American public, both individual and corporate, the new law will be a hefty cost AND time saver. When the smoke clears and you and your ilk are proven wrong, I'm quite sure we won't be hearing anymore from y'all on the subject...I can't wait.
Posted on 4/10/18 at 5:11 pm to Irons Puppet
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Reluctant to admit what, exactly? Most college coaches would tell their team they are going? I have no reluctance to admit that. Yes, they would. Again, nobody is asking for Saban to get a medal here. If Kirby Smart was doing the same thing (which he would) or Gus Malzahn (which he would) we'd all be saying that was a solid move.
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But he did what everyone would have done in that situation.
So you agree with me. Cool.
Posted on 4/10/18 at 5:26 pm to Croomismyname
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And another intelligent comment from a Democrat. You guys are the biggest bunch of whining Crybabies I've ever seen. Re: your comment:"Fuk Trump. Everyone should boycott that shite."
Could not have said it better.
Posted on 4/10/18 at 5:32 pm to ThaiTiger24
quote:What a Auburn thing to say
Fuk Trump. Everyone should boycott that shite.
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