re: Saban/Malzahn are the only 2 coaches in SEC that have won an SEC Championship

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it's why I want to give Malzahn some time to figure things out

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The thing is, I thought he did have it figured out. I thought he realized that an athletic quarterback dual-threat was the way to keep his ground game solid against anybody. Then he went and recruited Tyler Queen, Jeremy Johnson, and Sean White. I'm thinking WTF??

He got the defense right and then he went and fricked up a perfectly good offense.

You do realize neither of those guys are dual threat right? That was his whole point


To the original point though, he recruited JJ his first year here and had a short year to recruit. We had JJ locked in before Gus got here.

IIRC Queen was a backup option

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I do believe Saban has made everybody too quick on the trigger. I think that's why the conference as a whole is weaker and it's why I want to give Malzahn some time to figure things out

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He absolutely deserves at least 2-3 more years. Hell, knowing he and Saban are #1 & #2 in the conference right now takes the pressure off Malzhan.

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Define dual threat then. I would classify both of them as dual threat.

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Run as good as a RB. Throw like a QB.

Go look at both of their recruiting profiles. Both were rated as Prostyle QBs not DT QBs

JJ does not have the footspeed and did not run a read-option offense. Other than height and the color of his skin, he wasn't like Cam at all. Jason Campbell with a head injury is a better comparison.
I saw Queen play in HS and he's definitely not a DT qb. Gus tried to force some square pegs in round holes and that's what you saw when White got hurt.

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If you are going to argue he isn't a dual threat based off of any evidence we've seen, then you're just being silly.

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You can barely argue that he exists based on what we've seen at Auburn. He most certainly is not a zone read guy though.

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but coming out of High School, he had the physical traits of a perfect QB for our offense in the Cam mold

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You would be the only one to think that. There were big time concerns that he wouldn't be able to run well enough in college for Malzahns offense. The only place he was ever comparable to Cam was his size and his arm.

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You would be the only one to think that. There were big time concerns that he wouldn't be able to run well enough in college for Malzahns offense. The only place he was ever comparable to Cam was his size and his arm.

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that isn't quite true

a lot of people pointed to his game against auburn high school that had reuben foster and rashaan evans as an example of his running ability LINK LINK LINK LINK

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JJ does not have the footspeed and did not run a read-option offense. Other than height and the color of his skin, he wasn't like Cam at all. Jason Campbell with a head injury is a better comparison.

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Let's not be a revisionist here. Coming out of High School, JJ was compared more often than not to Cam. They did run zone reads, options, etc at Carver as well. Yes, he turned out like Campbell with a head injury, but coming out of high school, he was "supposed" to be the perfect style of QB for this offense. He just didn't live up to his abilities.

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I saw Queen play in HS and he's definitely not a DT qb. Gus tried to force some square pegs in round holes and that's what you saw when White got hurt.

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I did as well. He was definitely not the fastest, more of a power runner, but they run plenty of zone read. When he has done it at AU, he ran them very well. Not every dual threat is necessarily in the Nick Marshall or Lamar Jackson mold. That doesn't make them not a dual threat.

Now, if you guys want to argue that the only type of QB that works in Gus's offense has to be a Nick Marshall type, have at it and I'll leave you be.

Y'all need a damn QB coach at AU. You pull a lot of HS talent from the QB position, but somebody over there is deficient in training and developing them.