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re: Saban-Jimbo could be best SEC coaching rivalry ever
Posted on 5/11/18 at 9:59 am to WildTchoupitoulas
Posted on 5/11/18 at 9:59 am to WildTchoupitoulas
Yes. Three of the highest stakes games in recent SEC memory
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Posted on 5/11/18 at 10:04 am to ShaneTheLegLechler
Those dumb Texans paid a fortune for a loser.
Posted on 5/11/18 at 10:07 am to ShaneTheLegLechler
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Yes. Three of the highest stakes games in recent SEC memory
Please explain to me how a 31-6 thumping of an 8-5 UF team by a 10-3 Alabama team eight years ago during the regular season counts as one of the "highest stakes games in recent SEC memory".
...Or, better yet, just drop that one, because you know you'll just try to troll your way through some kind of lame justification. (BTW, both of those teams lost to LSU that year.)
Posted on 5/11/18 at 10:07 am to Whiznot
Don’t be jealous you have second best Saban disciple in the conference now
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Posted on 5/11/18 at 10:08 am to WildTchoupitoulas
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BTW, both of those teams lost to LSU that year
Print the shirts
Posted on 5/11/18 at 10:09 am to ShaneTheLegLechler
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best SEC coaching rivalry ever
It'll literally be chad vs. cuck.
Posted on 5/11/18 at 10:13 am to ShaneTheLegLechler
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Print the shirts
The, "2010 UF vs Bama Wasn't That Big of a Game" T-shirts?
You aggies are downright weird.
Saban and Meyer played two consecutive SECCGs and split them. They were great and meaningful games, but that doesn't mean that was some kind of great "coaching rivalry".
Stupid aggie.
Posted on 5/11/18 at 10:14 am to cardboardboxer
He will when he does worse than Sumlin did and yall can his butt.
Posted on 5/11/18 at 10:17 am to ShaneTheLegLechler
Barely.
Got there going through a cremepuff conference schedule that year.
And against an Auburn team that really had no business being there. (No offense to Auburn. Ya'll were certainly a lot better than we were in 13 or since)
Got there going through a cremepuff conference schedule that year.
And against an Auburn team that really had no business being there. (No offense to Auburn. Ya'll were certainly a lot better than we were in 13 or since)
Posted on 5/11/18 at 10:22 am to SummerOfGeorge
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He lost at least 3 games in 5 of his 8 seasons, including his last 3.
They competed on the national stage in 2013/2014. They started out with lofty preseason expectations, lost early and never again entered the national title picture in 2012, 2016 and 2017.
You hired Les Miles. Could have done a lot worse, but just admit it and adjust expectations.
Posted on 5/11/18 at 10:23 am to SummerOfGeorge
I never expected this, but I think SoG is worried. He wouldn't post that aggressively toward a friend if there wasn't more to it.
Posted on 5/11/18 at 10:24 am to SummerOfGeorge
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He lost at least 3 games in 5 of his 8 seasons, including his last 3.
They competed on the national stage in 2013/2014. They started out with lofty preseason expectations, lost early and never again entered the national title picture in 2012, 2016 and 2017.
You hired Les Miles. Could have done a lot worse, but just admit it and adjust expectations.
Posted on 5/11/18 at 10:27 am to ShaneTheLegLechler
Here's the thing.... there is a factor you A&M fans are not considering and that is the ability of a PROGRAM to be successful.
Often times, a good coach has great success because of the program he is coaching at. Conversely, sometimes a good coach has less success because of the program he is coaching at.
For instance, Steve Spurrier is obviously a good coach. In some ways, what he accomplished at a program like South Carolina may be more impressive than what he accomplished at Florida.... however, in making that assumption you have to grade him by the program's ability to succeed.
Spurrier won six SEC Championships at Florida, along with a National Championship. Just because he was able to do that at Florida did not mean he was going to bring a National Championship to South Carolina. He did "succeed" in Columbia, but the results were different: zero SEC Titles, zero National Titles, but a competitive program that finished in the Top 5 a few times.
Saban had more success at Alabama than he did at LSU because of the program difference.
Lou Holtz had more success at Notre Dame than he did at South Carolina or Arkansas because of the program difference.
Tommy Tuberville had more success at Auburn than he did at Ole Miss because of the program difference.
Mack Brown had more success at Texas than he did at North Carolina because of the program difference.
To win championships, it takes the right combination of a good coach AND a good program.
Jimbo Fisher is obviously a good coach. Texas A&M is obviously an above average program that has potential for good seasons. But just because Jimbo won a title at Florida State doesn't mean he's going to be winning titles in College Station.
I suspect Texas A&M will be a perennial Top 25 team once Jimbo gets his players. They'll probably sneak up and win the West or maybe even the SEC once or twice. But don't expect to be a powerhouse in the Top 5 at all times.... its just not going to happen at A&M.
Often times, a good coach has great success because of the program he is coaching at. Conversely, sometimes a good coach has less success because of the program he is coaching at.
For instance, Steve Spurrier is obviously a good coach. In some ways, what he accomplished at a program like South Carolina may be more impressive than what he accomplished at Florida.... however, in making that assumption you have to grade him by the program's ability to succeed.
Spurrier won six SEC Championships at Florida, along with a National Championship. Just because he was able to do that at Florida did not mean he was going to bring a National Championship to South Carolina. He did "succeed" in Columbia, but the results were different: zero SEC Titles, zero National Titles, but a competitive program that finished in the Top 5 a few times.
Saban had more success at Alabama than he did at LSU because of the program difference.
Lou Holtz had more success at Notre Dame than he did at South Carolina or Arkansas because of the program difference.
Tommy Tuberville had more success at Auburn than he did at Ole Miss because of the program difference.
Mack Brown had more success at Texas than he did at North Carolina because of the program difference.
To win championships, it takes the right combination of a good coach AND a good program.
Jimbo Fisher is obviously a good coach. Texas A&M is obviously an above average program that has potential for good seasons. But just because Jimbo won a title at Florida State doesn't mean he's going to be winning titles in College Station.
I suspect Texas A&M will be a perennial Top 25 team once Jimbo gets his players. They'll probably sneak up and win the West or maybe even the SEC once or twice. But don't expect to be a powerhouse in the Top 5 at all times.... its just not going to happen at A&M.
Posted on 5/11/18 at 10:29 am to Farmer1906
That was an aggressive post IYO? 
Posted on 5/11/18 at 10:34 am to BHMKyle
So what makes a good program? What specific factors, on top of coaching, does there need to be to succeed at the highest level?
Posted on 5/11/18 at 10:35 am to ShaneTheLegLechler
Saban's going to frick Jimbo harder than Taylor Jacobs fricked Candi.
Posted on 5/11/18 at 10:40 am to Farmer1906
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What specific factors, on top of coaching, does there need to be to succeed at the highest level?
None of this type shite:
...or this:
...or this:
Posted on 5/11/18 at 10:41 am to CNB
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Yeah Jameis Winston isn’t walking back through that door though
good thing Aggy doesn't need Jameis to beat USCe
Posted on 5/11/18 at 10:42 am to BHMKyle
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Here's the thing.... there is a factor you A&M fans are not considering and that is the ability of a PROGRAM to be successful.
What makes a good program though?
Common themes: Committed fans, the ability to spend the resources needed, and access to good local talent.
We have all of that, we just don't have the history.
But hey neither did Clemson until recently.
Posted on 5/11/18 at 10:45 am to Farmer1906
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So what makes a good program? What specific factors, on top of coaching, does there need to be to succeed at the highest level?
Winning.
And I don't mean winning the Independence or the Texas Bowl.
Top 5 Finishes since 1960:
22- Alabama
11- Florida
8- Georgia
7- Auburn
7- Tennessee
6- LSU
4- Arkansas
3- Ole Miss
3- Missouri
1- S. Carolina
1- Texas A&M
Texas A&M has ONE lone Top 5 finish over the past 60 years of college football.... a tied for #5 finish during a season in which you failed to even win the SEC West.
If a program goes 60+ seasons without being in the National Championship discussion, I'd say its a pretty good indicator that the program is not upper echelon.
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