re: Ruffians Form Wall to Block Out Westboro Baptist Weirdos

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These people are just upset that they are wing lumped in. It is a church:

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There is no missionary work, everyone is a lawyer, and it's a single family (of which almost everyone works in the Phelps Chartered Law Firm.

From the Southern Poverty Law Center Website:

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Fred Phelps and his small congregation provide WBC's funding; the group neither solicits nor accepts outside donations. In addition to this income, the church makes money by winning or settling civil lawsuits involving the church. During the 1990s, the group sued Topeka multiple times for failing to provide sufficient protection during its protests. Although they lost most of their cases, WBC did win $43,000 in legal fees in 1993. According to Shirley Phelps-Roper, they also won more than $100,000 in 1995 in a lawsuit against Kansas' Funeral Picketing Act, which they claimed violated their First Amendment rights. Because the Phelps family represents WBC in court, they can put the fees they win towards supporting the church.

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On June 5, 2007, Shirley Phelps-Roper was arrested while protesting in Bellevue, Neb. Shirley had allowed her son to stand on an American flag, while she wore a flag around her waist, allowing it to drag along the ground as she walked. Shirley was charged under a Nebraska flag desecration law. She was also charged with negligent child abuse, disturbing the peace, and contributing to the delinquency of a minor (because she allowed her son to violate the flag law.) On July 27, 2010, the city of Bellevue dropped the charges of flag desecration and contributing to the delinquency of a child, due to a federal judge declaring the flag desecration law unconstitutional. The city also paid Phelps-Roper $17,000 in a settlement agreement, in exchange for her dropping a pending lawsuit against the city. However, the city did not drop the charges of disturbing the peace and negligent child abuse.

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Right vs Left is not an economic philosophy
The Nazis were very committed socialists
Instead they are about the power of the state vs the power of the individual

Not political input, but here's a few more pictures of the wall:

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The Nazis were very committed socialists

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They were committed national socialists. The key word there is national. Left-wing socialists claim to aspire to an idealistic utopian world without class and states as we know them. Nazis wanted to rule the world with their own government. Now, as I have said, the fact that they both did not work out in practice does not change where they fall in an analysis of ideology.

Even current USA conservatives want to diminish the power of the individual. They say women cannot choose and gays cannot marry and people can't have weed.

Nothing we are discussing here changes the respect I have for this wall. I presume the folks we are arguing with feel the same way, I know some do.

Part of what makes it so ridiculous is that it mixes economic systems with social systems. Socialism and Nazism in economic terms are absolutely right next to each other. National Socialism was actually very close to what China is today; government and major corporations work in tandem (sometimes blending into quasi-private entities) to project economic stability and a centralized economic plan, but retain the flexibility of a private sector.

And until someone can conclusively state what fascism actually is and what makes it different from National Socialism, Socialism, or any other trendy word for statist economic control, you just look dumb by using it.

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Even current USA conservatives want to diminish the power of the individual. They say women cannot choose and gays cannot marry and people can't have weed.

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When conservatives are against abortion they feel that the baby(fetus in your case) has individual rights as well and believe in the "life" portion of the Declaration of Independence. How is that being against power of the individual? Also we believe abortion should be a states issue, not a national issue

As a conservative I believe that gay marriage should be a states issue as well, and the limited government thing to do would be to get the state OUT OF MARRAIGE all together. But that is not the goal of the gay lobby - the gay lobby goal is forced acceptance and recognition in all 50 states. It's the gay lobby that wants government in marriage.

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But the media likes to hype them up as a Baptist Mega Church with hundreds of members from different families to push their anti-Christian anti-Baptist anti-South message. And leftists and the uneducated masses eat it up and connect "Westboro Baptist Church" with all Baptist Churches and Christians, as if all Christians think that way and agree with Westboro and what they do.

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damn it. we were having enough trouble in this thread and then you go and throw another turd on the pile.

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They were committed national socialists. The key word there is national. Left-wing socialists claim to aspire to an idealistic utopian world without class and states as we know them. Nazis wanted to rule the world with their own government. Now, as I have said, the fact that they both did not work out in practice does not change where they fall in an analysis of ideology.

Even current USA conservatives want to diminish the power of the individual. They say women cannot choose and gays cannot marry and people can't have weed.

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The national socialists claimed to aspire to the exact same global utopia of government and private enterprise working hand in hand. They would be exceptionally proud of our FDA and it's cooperation with Pfizer and other major phama companies at controlling and maintaining a stable drug business. The FDA works very well at keeping pharma completely in the hands of established corporations.

Economically, there is no difference between National Socialist and modern 'left--wing' socialist.

Socially, yes, there are some differences, but they certainly aren't on opposite ends of the spectrum. Conservatives are about as concerned with social freedom as liberals are with economic freedom; both see liberty as unstable and corrupting.

It says a lot about Baptists that these lawyers would use the title Baptist Church to add legitimacy to their hate group.