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re: Richt vs Kirby after 3 years
Posted on 5/6/19 at 9:00 am to WG_Dawg
Posted on 5/6/19 at 9:00 am to WG_Dawg
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You mentioned it but it bares repeating, if the playoff existed then I put it at 50/50 odds we are national champs in 02. OSU was garbage that year and I'd put us up against anyone the way we played from mid-November on.
You mean a team who went 14-0 and beat one of the GOATs in the Fiesta Bowl is garbage? B1G was the best conference in 2002 (one of the last times we could say that) and OSU beat something like 6 ranked teams. They were a grind it out offense with a great defense. You can bring up PI all you want but even getting it to OT should have been an accomplishment against a Miami team going for something like 35 straight
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Posted on 5/6/19 at 9:02 am to WG_Dawg
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-Those first 3 years of richt, he played a nationally elite UF/UT in 01, nobody really that great in 02 (bama and AU were very good but not nationally great), and the national champs in LSU in 03. Kirby didn't really play anyone nationally good in 16 (AU was very good but not great), played 3 nationally elite teams in 17, and more great teams last year. His overall quality of competition is much harder IMO and will always be as long as saban is still in the way.
Who has UGA played in the regular season that you would say is great.
2016-Best win was against AU (#9), but AU was without their starting QB and RB.
2017-Beat a decent ND team, but get blown out by AU. Win rematch against AU and beat a Defenseless OU team. shite over themselves in the CFPCG.
2018-Get blown out against LSU, lose to Bama again. Lose to TX in the Bowl Game.
So Kirby is getting credit for beating a depleted AU , a flag football team in OU, and playing Bama close two years. People say Gus loses 4 games per year on average, but fail to see Kirby is losing on average 3 games per year while playing in the SECE.
Posted on 5/6/19 at 9:10 am to Buckeye06
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Buckeye06
This is called SEC rant, take your garbage about the big 10 somewhere else.
Posted on 5/6/19 at 9:20 am to BreezyDawg
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BreezyDawg
Posted on 5/6/19 at 9:22 am to Crowknowsbest
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Alabama is on arguably the best run in college football history
not really sure what there is to argue about. Not since the 19th century has a team won 5 of 10 national titles.
Posted on 5/6/19 at 9:56 am to Buckeye06
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You mean a team who went 14-0 and beat one of the GOATs in the Fiesta Bowl is garbage? B1G was the best conference in 2002 (one of the last times we could say that) and OSU beat something like 6 ranked teams. They were a grind it out offense with a great defense. You can bring up PI all you want but even getting it to OT should have been an accomplishment against a Miami team going for something like 35 straight
yes. They won all their games but were pretty mediocre in doing so.
-They had a good win over WSU that lost 3 games but did end up ranked 10th. No issues there.
-4 point win over a 7-7 cincinnati
-close 11 point win over a 3-9 northwestern team
-5 point win over an 8-6 wisconsin
-6 point win over a 4 loss PSU
-4 point win over a 7-6 purdue, that wasn't decided until a late, 4th down TD pass your fanbase titled "holy buckeye"
-7 point OT win over a 5-7 illinois team that was questionable due to officiating. Likely shoudl have lost
-5 point win over a 3 loss michigan
In the regular season OSU played 3 teams that would finish ranked, none of which had less than 3 losses. YOu slogged unimpressively through a pedestrian schedule and needed some incredible luck and good fortune to even get through that. As for the Miami game it was probably the best you played all year, and even NOT talking about the PI (which the game should have ended) there's the whole "willis mcgahee injured the whole 4th quarter/OT" thing.
Posted on 5/6/19 at 9:59 am to Irons Puppet
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Irons Puppet
Why does only regular season matter? The teams I would call nationally great/elite, as somewhat mentioned already, are:
Richt:
01 UT and UF
03 LSU (twice)
that's it. None of the bowl participants would qualify
Smart:
17 AU/OU/AL
18 AL
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2016-Best win was against AU (#9), but AU was without their starting QB and RB.
Your QB played, he just sucked. And your RB was out because gus is a moron that ran him into the ground.
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2017-Beat a decent ND team, but get blown out by AU. Win rematch against AU and beat a Defenseless OU team. shite over themselves in the CFPCG.
The AU team we dismantled was ranked #2 in the country. Lol at your OU comments. Played in the title game against bama which is better htan any team richt faced.
Posted on 5/6/19 at 10:00 am to Crowknowsbest
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Sure, but they weren't there yet.
Regardless, Richt was still 0-2 vs LSU in his first three years, including an SECCG blowout loss to the Saban coached Tigers.
Posted on 5/6/19 at 10:01 am to WG_Dawg
UGA, always the bridesmaid. But their fans will alibi why they should have been the bride.
Posted on 5/6/19 at 10:04 am to Irons Puppet
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UGA, always the bridesmaid. But their fans will alibi why they should have been the bride.
And yet still always kick the shite out of Auburn. If UGA was so bad you'd think Auburn would actually be able to beat them.
Posted on 5/6/19 at 10:09 am to WG_Dawg
I don't know if it has been said, but I think Richt's undoing was going 5-10 vs Fla and his last 2 seasons he got spanked by Jim McElwain. His last game vs Fla (2015) was a 27-3 beating that appears to be the straw that broke the camels back.
Posted on 5/6/19 at 10:11 am to SummerOfGeorge
It's always funny to me that people claim Kirby was helped by a soft schedule in '17, while Richt wasn't in '02. Richt played 6 ranked teams in '02, the highest rated being #10 UT. Kirby also played 6 ranked teams with 4 of the 6 being top 10 and 3 of those 4 being top 5. Richt was a good coach his first 3 years at UGA. Unfortunately he fell off, which is why he no longer has a job.
Posted on 5/6/19 at 10:21 am to bigDgator
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don't know if it has been said, but I think Richt's undoing was going 5-10 vs Fla and his last 2 seasons he got spanked by Jim McElwain. His last game vs Fla (2015) was a 27-3 beating that appears to be the straw that broke the camels back.
Him getting owned by UF was a huge part of it, but his inability to win the games we were suppose to win was another. It got to the point that when we were playing an overmatched team, we knew it was going to be a close game. I don't know what happened to his leadership skills in his later years but they were non existent. He had coaches bickering with each other, players getting arrested left and right, and his recruiting was falling off big time.
Posted on 5/6/19 at 10:26 am to bigDgator
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I don't know if it has been said, but I think Richt's undoing was going 5-10 vs Fla and his last 2 seasons he got spanked by Jim McElwain
It certainly didn't help along with his recruiting falling off the deep end from '10 to '13. '13 was especially bad.The state of GA produced the most draft picks in the NFL (27) in that class and not one signed with UGA.
Boom was killing on the recruiting trail along with Saban and CMR couldn't keep up or perhaps lost his energy.
Posted on 5/6/19 at 10:28 am to bigDgator
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I don't know if it has been said, but I think Richt's undoing was going 5-10 vs Fla and his last 2 seasons he got spanked by Jim McElwain. His last game vs Fla (2015) was a 27-3 beating that appears to be the straw that broke the camels back.
I don't think you can point to one specific thing as his undoing. My earlier post about the transition from BVG to martinez was the first major gaffe but we were still decent. I think he just got burned out and didn't give the job NEAR the attention that it demands and we suffered for it. Hiring schottenheimer was disastrous, as well as his entire tenure-long issues with not recruiting well enough on the OL.
Wiht that said, as crazy as it sounds, I don't think the UF thing was AS big a deal as you may think. Donnan would have stayed severla more years despite losing to UF if he hadn't also been losing to tech. And despite our struggles with UF, we still had ourselves in position here and there to compete for titles, just never got there. I do think, as you pointed to, that the '15 WLOCP was probably the final straw where everyone involved new it was time to move on. We had 2 weeks to prepare and even though greyson lambert was AWFUL, we went with faton bauta and didn't even both to suit the offense to his strengths (being his mobility). It was almost lik richt thought "ya know what, I'm pretty much done anyway so here's a hail mary and let's see what happens" and obviously it was an utter failure.
Posted on 5/6/19 at 10:30 am to WG_Dawg
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Why does only regular season matter? The teams I would call nationally great/elite, as somewhat mentioned already, are:
Because that is the true test of the coach and the team. When you go to a Bowl there are a lot of factors that play into a victory or loss. 6 Weeks of prep time being the major factor.
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Smart: 17 AU/OU/AL 18 AL
And Smart was 2-3 against those teams. The fact that he is 4-5 against the West shows he is lucky to play in the East.
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The AU team we dismantled was ranked #2 in the country. Lol at your OU comments. Played in the title game against bama which is better htan any team richt faced.
Again, always the bridesmaid.
This post was edited on 5/6/19 at 10:31 am
Posted on 5/6/19 at 10:33 am to atlanta917
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It's always funny to me that people claim Kirby was helped by a soft schedule in '17, while Richt wasn't in '02. Richt played 6 ranked teams in '02, the highest rated being #10 UT. Kirby also played 6 ranked teams with 4 of the 6 being top 10 and 3 of those 4 being top 5. Richt was a good coach his first 3 years at UGA. Unfortunately he fell off, which is why he no longer has a job.
The CFP adds two and the SECCG is the third, so that is a bit misleading about their schedule. The regular season really only showed a win against ND.
Posted on 5/6/19 at 10:34 am to WG_Dawg
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Hiring schottenheimer was disastrous
Oh shite, I forgot about that.
Posted on 5/6/19 at 10:37 am to SummerOfGeorge
Richt Year 3: get destroyed by LSU
Smart Year 3: get destroyed by LSU
Smart Year 3: get destroyed by LSU
Posted on 5/6/19 at 10:41 am to Irons Puppet
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Because that is the true test of the coach and the team.
lol
so playing average oppoentns and bowl participants and having more success is seen as a "better coach and team" than playing stiffer competition and bigger/better bowl opponents? That doesn't make any sense. The 2017 team that lost in the NCG to bama isn't worse than our 03 team that beat purdue.
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And Smart was 2-3 against those teams
you asked to point out the great teams we played and I did. Now you're shifting the narrative to talk abotu if we won the games or not.
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