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re: Returning SEC QBs : 2018 Passer Rating vs End of Year AP Top 25 Teams
Posted on 6/24/19 at 4:27 pm to WG_Dawg
Posted on 6/24/19 at 4:27 pm to WG_Dawg
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lol. Don't be like the AU fans that try to pass off the SECCG by saying kerryon was hurt. Tua was clearly fine enough to be playing in that game, and his own lineman injured him to put him out of the game. Bama fans just aren't used to seeing tua get disprected like we did and like clemson would do a few games later.
I'm surprised you of all people would try to skew stats in one direction because of bias.
Oh it's not an excuse - and it wasn't all his leg, but his accuracy was clearly worse in that game - and the aftermath showed he was fricked up during the game.
Compare the zip and accuracy in that game to every other game he has played in his career. It's not even close. I've never seen him miss that many easy throws 7 feet over a guy and 3 feet in front in the turf.
And again, compare the UGA game to the Clemson game. Like, not even close. He was MUCH better against Clemson than he was against UGA. Did he make some mistakes? Yes. But he wasn't ineffective. He was ineffective against UGA.
I mean compare the stats
10/25 (40%)
164 yards (6.6 YPA)
1 TD/2 INT
22/34 (65%)
295 yards (8.7 YPA)
2 TD/2 INT
One is not at all like the other.
And again - if we had lost, the idea that the "QB being hurt" would be an excuse would be laughable nonsense. That's football. It wouldn't be at all. There would be no "well if Tua was 100%" from me, I guarantee that.
But if we are looking at performance and then using it to look forward and predict future performance, I think it is an oddity. He made bad decisions that were harbinger's for the future, but a lot of the missed throws were just..........they were the only times I've ever seen him miss throws like that. So it is what it is.
This post was edited on 6/24/19 at 4:35 pm
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Posted on 6/24/19 at 4:28 pm to Rabern57
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Now show what the other QBs did against those same defenses.
Are you under the impression that other QBs performed better against Top 30 defenses? Interesting, show me the stats.
Posted on 6/24/19 at 4:29 pm to CrimsonDynasty
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Interesting how you blend his stats vs LSU in your argument to make it look like Tua played poorly vs the corn dogs. He played very well vs LSU
His 2nd lowest passer rating was against LSU.
His 2nd lowest CMP% was against LSU (on the most attempts).
His 3rd highest INT total was against LSU.
Posted on 6/24/19 at 4:31 pm to SummerOfGeorge
Tua has a lot to work on and a lot to prove. He made some really bad decisions against the best defenses he played. He flat out can't get hurt every other game, whether that is possible or not.
But, the pendulum has swung a bit out of control the other way. Again, people talk about the Clemson and LSU games like he was awful. They were some of the worst stat lines those teams gave up to opposing QBs all year.
All the "best ever" and "Tank for Tua" stuff is ridiculous and way overboard, but so is the "he just got all his stats against terrible teams" stuff.
But, the pendulum has swung a bit out of control the other way. Again, people talk about the Clemson and LSU games like he was awful. They were some of the worst stat lines those teams gave up to opposing QBs all year.
All the "best ever" and "Tank for Tua" stuff is ridiculous and way overboard, but so is the "he just got all his stats against terrible teams" stuff.
Posted on 6/24/19 at 4:33 pm to WilliamTaylor21
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His 2nd lowest passer rating was against LSU.
His 2nd lowest CMP% was against LSU (on the most attempts).
His 3rd highest INT total was against LSU.
LSU's 2nd Highest Passer Rating Allowed was against Tua
LSU's 2nd Highest YPA Allowed was against Tua
LSU's 2nd Highest Passing Yards Allowed was against Tua
It's almost like a really good pass defense played a really good QB and both got some solid blows in
This post was edited on 6/24/19 at 4:35 pm
Posted on 6/24/19 at 4:35 pm to SummerOfGeorge
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his accuracy was clearly worse in that game
so we aren't able to give the defense a shred of credit? It coudln't be that our defense happened to make good plays? No of course not, the infallible bama player just couldn't conceivably be perfect that day?
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Compare the zip and accuracy in that game to every other game he has played in his career.
his "career" is essentially just the preceeding 12 games of the 2018 season, where perhaps only 1 of those teams were as good as UGA.
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He was MUCH better against Clemson than he was against UGA. Did he make some mistakes? Yes. But he wasn't ineffective. He was ineffective against UGA.
Idk man. Bama moved the ball with ease, like at will, against clemson between the 20s for most of the night. But he made some HORRENDOUS throws that game. Awful decisions, poor interceptions, etc. It kinda seems like against 2 of the 3 best teams bama played last year (uga and clemson, with OU being the other but obviously the big12 doesn't play defense) tua actually looked pedestrian and you're trying to explain it away.
i mean, yall won the game. So it's not like there's really a need to come up with excuses and I know that's not your MO to being with. But I watched the same game you did and I saw tua being pressured and affected more than he likely had in his career at that point and saw our DBs making some great plays. It's ok to admit that your guys aren't perfect at all times.
Posted on 6/24/19 at 4:38 pm to WG_Dawg
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i mean, yall won the game. So it's not like there's really a need to come up with excuses and I know that's not your MO to being with. But I watched the same game you did and I saw tua being pressured and affected more than he likely had in his career at that point and saw our DBs making some great plays. It's ok to admit that your guys aren't perfect at all times.
Yea - I don't want to rehash it all, and I do agree with your points. UGA had a great plan and did a great job with it. And Tua made some bad decisions and was confused. He was not great regardless of other things. My only thing was there were 7-8 throws to guys who were open that he spiked or airmailed that he just quite frankly has never done.
That's only part of his performance, though, as you rightly said. He was much more flawed the last 6 games as defenses threw different things his way and were better (and the flaw was because of the performance and abilities of those defenses - LSU, State, UGA and Clemson specifically). His mistakes were much worse (like you noted in the Clemson game). That's his biggest thing to improve on in the off-season, and I'm not sure it's all that easy to fix. Just kind of going to be one of his flaws IMHO.
But yea - you are right, and I didn't mean it as a shot at UGA at all. Kirby had a great plan that night and UGA's guys executed the hell out of it.
This post was edited on 6/24/19 at 4:40 pm
Posted on 6/24/19 at 4:47 pm to SummerOfGeorge
Summer,
Tua was a God vs mediocre to bad defenses
He was good to poor vs top defenses
That’s just the facts
Tua was a God vs mediocre to bad defenses
He was good to poor vs top defenses
That’s just the facts
Posted on 6/24/19 at 4:47 pm to lsupride87
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Tua was a God vs mediocre to bad defenses
He was good to poor vs top defenses
That’s just the facts
Agree with that assessment
This post was edited on 6/24/19 at 4:49 pm
Posted on 6/24/19 at 4:50 pm to SummerOfGeorge
Again... the conversation is about Tua being bad vs good defenses. Not how LSU did vs other QB’s.
Quit deflecting and accept it!
(and most of the QB’s LSU faced were beans.)
Quit deflecting and accept it!
(and most of the QB’s LSU faced were beans.)
Posted on 6/24/19 at 4:53 pm to WilliamTaylor21
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beans
Pinto or Green?
I need to know
Posted on 6/24/19 at 4:57 pm to djsdawg
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They really aren’t.
We’ll see. Wilson was injured in the the State game. He wasn’t fully healthy for the next six games. Laugh if you want but if he stays healthy this season he will RPO the league to death.
Posted on 6/24/19 at 5:01 pm to SummerOfGeorge
This list tells me that the East is lucky to not play the top defenses in the West.
Posted on 6/24/19 at 5:15 pm to SummerOfGeorge
Pinto.
Posted on 6/24/19 at 5:18 pm to Jebadeb
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This list tells me that the East is lucky to not play the top defenses in the West.
This isn’t a particularly good take as it pertains to last season.
Posted on 6/24/19 at 5:19 pm to SummerOfGeorge
Tagovailoa set the all time single season passing efficiency record last year in spite of playing on an injured knee half the year and the ankle injury early in the UGA game, for which he had scoped after that game. An injury impacts a qb's entire game.
Taylor and his friends only want to trash talk, but Tagovailoa will kick LSU's arse again this year.
Taylor and his friends only want to trash talk, but Tagovailoa will kick LSU's arse again this year.
Posted on 6/24/19 at 5:19 pm to Rabern57
Quote by Raybern last offseason lol
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Nope. Because no matter how he plays next season Auburn will be the first real defense he will face. There will be threads as long as Bama fans keep bringing him or other teams' QBs up. It goes both ways.
Posted on 6/24/19 at 5:20 pm to SummerOfGeorge
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8. Joe Burrow (LSU) - 127.05 (5)
8-4
Posted on 6/24/19 at 5:24 pm to SummerOfGeorge
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10. Feleipe Franks (Florida) - 111.81 (4)
Posted on 6/24/19 at 6:14 pm to AHM21
Let's see now. LSU finished 10-3, #6 in the country and he had that passer rating.
If I read your post correctly your are predicting 8-4 for the tigers?
LSU returns it most talented and deepest team since '11. I don't think they will regress in '19. Think tigers make at least a two game improvement on regular season record.
Two of it's three losses were on the road last year. Think both of those losses will be W's in tiger stadium. Three of LSU's four toughest games are in Baton Rouge.
If I read your post correctly your are predicting 8-4 for the tigers?
LSU returns it most talented and deepest team since '11. I don't think they will regress in '19. Think tigers make at least a two game improvement on regular season record.
Two of it's three losses were on the road last year. Think both of those losses will be W's in tiger stadium. Three of LSU's four toughest games are in Baton Rouge.
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