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Posted on 8/4/24 at 10:09 pm to
Posted by LSUBALLER
Louisiana
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Posted on 8/4/24 at 10:09 pm to
Agree. Until you experience SEC schedule you don’t know. It’s brutal , you may beat LSU then next week Miss State takes you out or plays you tough as all hell.
Posted by LSUBALLER
Louisiana
Member since Jul 2013
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Posted on 8/4/24 at 10:11 pm to
I think we will lose a few games. Young DL and young secondary. That’s a bad combination . Special teams
Posted by Capn_Bevo
Austin
Member since Jan 2019
1021 posts
Posted on 8/4/24 at 10:21 pm to
Potential weaknesses

IDL and left guard Hayden Conner

As Saban said, who's the other corner going to be, opposite Muhammad

New WRs getting in sync with Ewers and system

Potential srengths

Ewers in year 3

Overall OL experience and potentially the best left tackle in the nation

Saftey with Derek Williams and Mukuba from Clemson


Posted by Naked Bootleg
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Member since Jul 2021
3179 posts
Posted on 8/5/24 at 8:23 am to
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Offense: unknown. Lots of talent, but lots of inexperience. If we can protect the QB this will be a 10+ win team. If not, it could be a 7-5 kind of year.
- OL: lots of experience, but most are new to OU via portal. If they gel quickly, they should be OK. If they don’t the season will be very rough. Depth is an issue.
- QB: 5-star prospect, not a ton of experience. Made great throws in the bowl game, but several were to the other team. Big guy, good runner, could be dangerous if the Oline plays well.
- WR: strength of the offense. Big, tall receivers with good speed and good hands. Will make our QB look better than he is.
- RB: serviceable but average. #1 RB out of HS signed last year, not sure if he will factor in or not.

Defense: could be our best defense in 10+ years. Stoops let the defensive talent fall, and Lincoln Riley completely ignored it. Venables had made defensive recruiting a priority and it’s starting to show.
Dline: best talent in years, but all young. They’ll make highlight plays, and probably some dumb ones as well. Will probably struggle with seasoned Olines.
LB: strength. Pre-season All-American starter, and the other two starters are not far behind. Lots of senior experience.
DB: strength. Pre-season All-American starting safety, and our CB’s are deep and experienced.

Special teams: weakness. Kicking, punting, punt returns and kick returns sucked miserably the last couple years. No reason to expect anything different this year.

Coaching: weakness. Venables is an elite recruiter, but the on-the-field results are lacking. Lots of rookie mistakes. Jeff Lebby ran a non-stop hurry-up offense that was not a good fit for a miserable defense. Seth Littrell runs a slower-style offense which should help cut down on the number of plays faced. If our defense has a weakness, it could be in the playcalling. First-year DC is young and inexperienced. Really don’t know what to expect formation- and rotation-wise. I expect him to be aggressive with the defensive talent.


^^ This is pretty spot-on
Posted by Gunga Din
Oklahoma
Member since Jul 2020
3086 posts
Posted on 8/5/24 at 8:44 am to
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^^ This is pretty spot-on


Yes, that was pretty balanced.

I would say that I don't necessarily agree that OU's D line is "young"...

There are mostly seniors and juniors at DE... And DT has a super senior and two juniors in the two deep rotation. With a couple of true freshman as part of the rotation.

The problem with OU's defense is that while they were decent last year... they need to make a significant improvement this year. OU fans expect it. Many others are skeptical that it will improve that much.
Posted by Naked Bootleg
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Posted on 8/5/24 at 9:25 am to
Getting Stutsman and Bowman back is huge. We have much better depth everywhere on D. We should expect them to be more solid.

I should add this though - Yes, Venables had some growing pains as a HC. I believe he thought he could 100% rely on his then-OC to manage that side of the ball. But as we found out, Lebby was himself not ready to be a big time OC without Kiffin's guidance. We lost at least 3 games the past 2 years because of retarded game management on that side of the ball.
Posted by ChapelHillSooner
Chapel Hill
Member since Dec 2020
1004 posts
Posted on 8/5/24 at 9:53 am to
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I think in 20 years we're definitely gonna hear about some teams that really lost out in CFB realignment because they couldn't stand out as a big dog amongst puppies anymore.

Nebraska is the first official victim of that particular syndrome.


I don't think that is going to apply to OU or TX. If anything we've suffered the last ten years because we didn't move to the SEC. That is especially true with defensive talent. As soon as we announced the move the the SEC our defensive recruiting skyrocketed back to were it was 20 years ago.

A lot of it may be coaching but I think we were increasingly fighting against SEC headwinds.

Nebraska is a unique situation because they are in Nebraska. They lost much of their recruiting area with the move. Plus, they were nowhere near what they were in the '90s the last decade in the Big 12.
Posted by CharlotteSooner
Member since Mar 2016
14094 posts
Posted on 8/5/24 at 10:03 am to
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I think in 20 years we're definitely gonna hear about some teams that really lost out in CFB realignment because they couldn't stand out as a big dog amongst puppies anymore.

Nebraska is the first official victim of that particular syndrome.


Nebraska tanked as a program because they relied on being ahead of everybody else on everything, like S&C, which they pretty much invented.

That and playing athletic retards that couldn't qualify for admission to any other college anywhere.
Posted by ATW
Columbia, Mo
Member since Jul 2021
767 posts
Posted on 8/5/24 at 11:40 am to
Actually, our running back room is better than average.
Posted by FootballFrenzy
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Member since Oct 2023
8069 posts
Posted on 8/5/24 at 1:12 pm to
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the biggest question mark there is if Quinn can be consistent and not just show up for a few big games

I thought UTx fans were all hyped for Manning winning the Heisman this year?
Posted by ChapelHillSooner
Chapel Hill
Member since Dec 2020
1004 posts
Posted on 8/5/24 at 2:55 pm to
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Nebraska tanked as a program because they relied on being ahead of everybody else on everything, like S&C, which they pretty much invented.

That and playing athletic retards that couldn't qualify for admission to any other college anywhere.


Also their large walk-on program. The idea was that they had the county scholarship program that allowed them to have rosters well exceeding 100 players although that may have been an urban myth.

In either case, if you can get an extra 40 walk-ons (as I think they had in their heyday) some of those kids will physically mature and end up being very productive.

I still don't know why schools don't use NIL to expand their rosters by 100 players looking for a few diamonds in the rough.
Posted by At the Lake
Grand Lake O' The Cherokees
Member since Jul 2021
119 posts
Posted on 8/5/24 at 3:22 pm to
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I would say that I don't necessarily agree that OU's D line is "young"... There are mostly seniors and juniors at DE... And DT has a super senior and two juniors in the two deep rotation. With a couple of true freshman as part of the rotation.


That’s fair, although I referring to the freshmen and sophomore recruits - PJ, Stone and Jackson have high ceilings but not a lot of experience. The older guys, for the most part, haven’t done a lot. Very few sacks, not a lot of QB pressure, and run D broke down later in the year. Most of our TFLs were by linebackers. Downs could have a really good this year though with the upgraded interior.
Posted by At the Lake
Grand Lake O' The Cherokees
Member since Jul 2021
119 posts
Posted on 8/5/24 at 3:29 pm to
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Actually, our running back room is better than average.


On paper they have talent, but they only ran for 4.5 yards a carry last year with an arguably better Oline. Those numbers would have probably looked a bit better without all the jet sweeps to Freeman.
Posted by dallastiger55
Jennings, LA
Member since Jan 2010
33007 posts
Posted on 8/5/24 at 3:32 pm to
OU will surprise people. Every look ahead line they are dogs in it’s less than 3 points.

They will beat Tennessee and Auburn

Bama
Texas
Ole Miss
LSU

Those are the toughest games. I think they beat Bama and Texas and lose to LSU and OM and go 10-2

I predict the LSU/OU game will be a playoff elimination game.
Posted by SoonerMagic1
Bartlesville, OK
Member since Mar 2022
205 posts
Posted on 8/5/24 at 5:20 pm to
quote:

I think in 20 years we're definitely gonna hear about some teams that really lost out in CFB realignment because they couldn't stand out as a big dog amongst puppies anymore.

Nebraska is the first official victim of that particular syndrome.


Nebraska has not been Nebraska because of poor coaching hires and they lost their prime recruiting area. When in the Big XII, they recruited players from Texas.

When they moved to the Big Ten, they lost those Texas recruits. The Big Ten has plenty of cities with high school players but how many want to go to college out on the farm in Nebraska if they live in Chicago, Cleveland, Cincinnati, Pittsburg. And the Texas players don't want to go to Nebraska because they will never play a game in Texas unless a bowl.

The SEC is a tremendous step up in competition but OU is not going to collapse just because Nebraska did.
Posted by 49 to nada
In aggy and gooner heads, rent free
Member since Sep 2023
5245 posts
Posted on 8/5/24 at 6:43 pm to
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Also their large walk-on program. The idea was that they had the county scholarship program that allowed them to have rosters well exceeding 100 players although that may have been an urban myth.

In either case, if you can get an extra 40 walk-ons (as I think they had in their heyday) some of those kids will physically mature and end up being very productive.

I still don't know why schools don't use NIL to expand their rosters by 100 players looking for a few diamonds in the rough.
Corn had a "partial qualifier" program that brought in players that would never pass even relaxed athletic admissions at most schools. Of course that was taken away from them by a 11-1 vote when they joined the Big12, but that was just the beginning of the demise. They furthered the self offing by jumping to the Big10 and pretty much cutting off any Texas/Louisiana recruiting pipelines they once had.
Posted by 49 to nada
In aggy and gooner heads, rent free
Member since Sep 2023
5245 posts
Posted on 8/5/24 at 6:48 pm to
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Strengths are big dicks and general badassery....weakness is our state touches texas and Missouri.

*just realized this was a football question
You misspelled "bags of dicks" and "douchery", and you're welcome to move your worthless empty prairie state somewhere else if you like.

Carry on
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