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Posted on 9/19/17 at 2:54 pm to Lsuchs
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Gave FSU over a year to counter It was known we were going for jimbo November 2016. We pull the trigger we might get him Held onto Miles due to political pressure due to the buyout and the optics with university going through financial trouble, even though the TAF had plenty of funding. Fire Miles 4 games into next season, FSU has plenty of time to make the right moves. Had to compete with UT for Herman and decided he wasn't worth jimbo money / orgeron sold alleva
Going to give you an "A" on your answer - this is a plausible and rational explanation of the hire.
I applaud your reading comphrension skills - many answering the question need to brush up!
Posted on 9/19/17 at 2:58 pm to jatebe
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LSU hiring Orgeron reminds me of the time Bama hired Dubose. Dubose played for Alabama under Coach Bryant and was also on the coaching staff a few times. After Coach Stallings retired, the fans had a write in campaign for the University to hire Mike Dubose. The Bama AD did hire him, even though he had no big time college experience. It ended up too much for Dubose and it set Alabama back for years. Bama also went on crippling probation for events that happened under Dubose's watch.
Ahhh the dark ages - never forget fellow Bama faithful, never forget.
Posted on 9/19/17 at 3:03 pm to HaveMercy
#binder
Posted on 9/19/17 at 3:05 pm to Draconian Sanctions
quote:Aren't the coordinators running the team? I mean is there any indication that CEO was meddling, over-ruling his Coordinator's during that game?
and that essentially that he would take less money and we could pour that savings into coordinators and he would let them coach. That's right, the argument was that we would pay him to not coach.
Posted on 9/19/17 at 3:07 pm to jnethe1
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For some reason they chose to retain Coach O.
"You are welcome." -- Aggies, collectively
Posted on 9/19/17 at 3:15 pm to dcbl
quote:CEO wouldn't have turned it down, but I bet his staff would have balked and looked elsewhere for a job. He assembled a good staff, that wouldn't have been possible with a temp HC with a 1 yr kick-out clause in his contract.
Meh, Coach O is a "B lister"
I understand that the "right guy/perfect hire" was not out there
What I don't understand is 2 things:
1. TWELVE MILLION DOLLARS
2. Why not just keep him on board with a 1 year "prover yourself from start to finish for a whole year" type deal
O was gonna turn it down?
Not on your life. That buyout is beyond crazy
Posted on 9/19/17 at 3:21 pm to joeytiger
quote:Good post.
I can't speak for all LSU fans, but probably 85% of the people I know didn't want to hire Coach O. The university president fricked up the Jimbo hire with his doom and gloom pressers about how the university was broke, then Alleva (AD) decided to only target Tom Herman as the next coach. When that fell through, he made a lazy hire in basically promoting coach O. This falls squarely on the University president and the AD. Alleva has been a cancer to athletics and is somehow still the AD.
I can see where it wasn't a good look for LSU when King Alexander jumped up on his soapbox every damn spring whining about finances, cutting faculty & staff, and the possibility of having no football players eligible to take the field because LSU had to cancel summer classes due to salary cuts. His posturing and using LSU athletics to leverage his way with government funding was idiotic.
Posted on 9/19/17 at 3:25 pm to RT1941
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Aren't the coordinators running the team? I mean is there any indication that CEO was meddling, over-ruling his Coordinator's during that game?
Honestly, if you watch closely during the game, it doesn't appear he's doing much of anything. He's not talking to the coordinators and he's not talking into the headset much. He doesn't even really engage the players.
He's just......there. I thought letting each coordinator do their job would be a plus. I didn't realize that meant Orgeron wasn't going to be doing anything at all. At minimum, I assumed he would be heading up special teams since he left that coaching spot vacant. I was wrong.
ETA: He couldn't even give an answer as to why his best offensive player hardly played in the 2nd half. He, literally, answered "I don't know" when asked.
This post was edited on 9/19/17 at 3:32 pm
Posted on 9/19/17 at 3:27 pm to HaveMercy
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Discuss Orgeron's qualifications and how they led to his hiring. Review any candidates that were considered and interviewed for the position. Who were the key decision makers in the process and what compelled their decision??
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In September, 2016 LSU Head Coach Les Miles was relieved of his coaching duties following a stinging, last second loss to Auburn
Refs fricked LSU harder than we knew and nobody can explain how we hired a coach with a < .100 SEC record
Posted on 9/19/17 at 3:29 pm to HaveMercy
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why Orgeron
You don't think we have been asking this question since Thanksgiving of last year?
Posted on 9/19/17 at 3:29 pm to HaveMercy
top 2 candidates used LSU as leverage. CEO did a good job last year with a team that looked pretty bad starting out 2-2....bama didn't score until the 4th qtr. We are suspect on both lines right now and that is due to attrition, injuries, and recruiting. He may turn the ship around...maybe State is that good and LSU was flat.
Posted on 9/19/17 at 3:38 pm to dcbl
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Meh, Coach O is a "B lister"
A B lister is someone that could go coach at a number of lower tier p5 schools or any mid-major. O couldn't have gotten a job anywhere else.
After they struck out with Fisher and Herman, they should have sent a moving truck to Starkville.
Posted on 9/19/17 at 3:48 pm to phil4bama
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and all you had left were mid-majors that would have been a gamble and a big letdown to the LSU faithful like PJ Fleck, Chad Morris, Jeff Brohm and Willie Taggert
Almost all of us would have taken a young up and comer of our D line coach.
Posted on 9/19/17 at 3:55 pm to RT1941
Excellent point
Have to agree with that reasoning, but they could have sent the same message with a 3 or 5 million buyout
Have to agree with that reasoning, but they could have sent the same message with a 3 or 5 million buyout
Posted on 9/19/17 at 4:30 pm to HaveMercy
We don't know the answer. We didn't hire that imbecile. Ask the morons Alleva and F King who hired him.
Posted on 9/19/17 at 4:40 pm to Draconian Sanctions
Honestly, Jimbo told him to kick rocks after they embarrassed him and had to answer those questions during bowl prep. Second, Herman hurt his feelings for looking at Texas, and Ole Joe would not compete with Texas for his services. So a fat ex-con named Ponamsky put together a binder that sold Joe on picking EdO. There was supposed to be a search committee, then joe was to do the search, now we know there was no search and Joe had his eyes set on O once herman told him to frick off. How can anyone do this in their day job and not get fired?
Posted on 9/19/17 at 4:46 pm to ninthward
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There was supposed to be a search committee, then joe was to do the search, now we know there was no search and Joe had his eyes set on O once herman told him to frick off.
Alleva used a search firm. I read the article yesterday. They had two years experience in college athletics.
ETA: Here It Is
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"They were fantastic - a huge help," LSU athletic director Joe Alleva said. "They have years of football experience and know all the coaches and their agents. They were invaluable."
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Turnkey has been in the executive search industry for more than two decades, working with numerous professional organizations, but entered the college market only a little more than two years ago.
This post was edited on 9/19/17 at 4:50 pm
Posted on 9/19/17 at 5:20 pm to texashorn
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So LSU passed on Herman? What a hilarious take on what really happened.
What a hilarious take on my post. We wanted him, just weren't getting in a 5+ mil bidding war with Texas over him apparently. Based off of us approving up to 6 for jimbo (FSU made it 5.75 so why leave) and Herman taking the UT offer (making a move) for well under 6.
We offer Herman what we offer jimbo either we have him or y'all are paying more for him.
We wanted Herman, even if we paid all we could no guarantee we get him over you. Alleva decided on the bargain and appears to be getting what he paid for at this point.
This post was edited on 9/19/17 at 5:32 pm
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