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re: Playoff Selection - How to remove human bias?
Posted on 1/9/25 at 1:02 pm to FAT SEXY
Posted on 1/9/25 at 1:02 pm to FAT SEXY
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Playoff Selection - How to remove human bias?
The FCS, D-2, and D-3 models already do this.
If the NCAA sponsored the FBS playoffs and did away with the “amateurism” rule, all of these issues (playoff selection, playoff seeding, NIL payments, bowl game participation) would go away over night.
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Posted on 1/9/25 at 1:02 pm to southernboisb
We gotta genius over here.
Posted on 1/9/25 at 1:30 pm to southernboisb
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Computers would look strictly at the data (depending there’s no bias somehow put in there).
Committee should weigh criteria at beginning of year and provide to an unbiased 3rd party who develops/manages the software that decides the playoff teams at end of year.
There is absolutely zero reason why former and active ADs should be able to have a say in choosing the teams making the cut. Every member of the committee has a conflict when they are able to voice a subjective opinion at end of regular season
Posted on 1/9/25 at 2:39 pm to southernboisb
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I'm talking, even taking the polls completely out of the equation.
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This is a touchy subject. What are people going to say when a team ranked 25th gets in over a team ranked 10th? (Yes, a little over exaggerated, but you get the idea.)
They will bitch up...then the selection committee will say something like..."sorry...the numbers don't lie"...or some other BS like that. It doesn't matter what method they choose, someone will have hurt feelings come selection day. At least using a systematic approach gives you a scape goat.
Posted on 1/9/25 at 3:26 pm to FAT SEXY
Posted on 1/9/25 at 3:27 pm to FAT SEXY
It's like we are having to learn all over again why divisions exist.
One of these days we will be scooting around on our stomachs asking each other about better ways to get around.
One of these days we will be scooting around on our stomachs asking each other about better ways to get around.
Posted on 1/9/25 at 3:33 pm to madmaxvol
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The only way to remove human bias is to make an algorithm that is strictly data driven. I'm talking, even taking the polls completely out of the equation. If there are problems that arise...modify the equation in the off-season and keep doing that. It will get better over time and eventually should be very effective.
Wrong. Algorithms dont watch football. Eye test matters too. Just because you run up scores in garbage time doesnt make you a better football team.
Posted on 1/9/25 at 3:36 pm to thatthang
quote:this, in a nutshell.
We had this and it worked better than the committee, but the committee was a response to perceived SEC bias….by the computers. So to answer your question: no. The masses would not be cool with that because they think computers are biased towards the SEC
With all the human biases removed, the selections skewed to the SEC and the sport became regional.
The national media, and the other conferences, want the human bias. They want full inclusion of the entire country, because that will drive more tv money (and benefit other conferences).
This year the SEC is legit down, but that's just a 'oh by the way' thing. The Big 10 doesn't want to rely on that, they want guaranteed access to the pot. And national media wants the whole country watching, not just the Southeast.
Posted on 1/9/25 at 3:38 pm to RogerTempleton
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Just because you run up scores in garbage time doesnt make you a better football team.
Then you've got an incomplete algorithm if you can fake it out like that.
Posted on 1/9/25 at 3:41 pm to GeauxBurrow312
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What needs to be fixed is the seeding.
This. All 4 top seeds were underdogs and all 4 lost, that's terrible. 11 of the 12 teams were in the AP top 12. I don't understand why they don't just say the top 12 get in and the top 4 get byes. Forget the conference champions and who "deserves" to get in.
Posted on 1/9/25 at 3:51 pm to Tideroller
The very first step should be to remove all committee members that are affiliated with member institutions. Example, no university ADs on the committee …. go from there
Posted on 1/9/25 at 3:57 pm to FAT SEXY
Bring back the BCS. Was it perfect? No. But it much better at predicting the best teams objectively.
Posted on 1/9/25 at 5:56 pm to FAT SEXY
Credibilty gone. This thread is nothing but yet another melt for fans of teams that used to be good and now suck.
Posted on 1/9/25 at 10:57 pm to djsdawg
The playoff would have been Oregon, UGA, Texas and PSU
Which would have left out OSU and ND, who are likely the teams in the title game.
Expanded playoffs are fine - getting cute with the seedings further down the line is the bullshite aspect. Oregon's reward for finishing #1 and undefeated was playing the winner of OSU/Vols while Texas and PSU got the easy street to the semis
Realistically, there are only ever ~6 (maybe 1 or 2 more in certain years) who have a real shot at winning the title. Having a few extra spots for those deserving teams is fine.
But the teams who finish the regular season ranked the highest should get to blast those (relative) cupcakes in their bracket and not the teams who would have been fighting over the final spot in the 4 team playoff era
Which would have left out OSU and ND, who are likely the teams in the title game.
Expanded playoffs are fine - getting cute with the seedings further down the line is the bullshite aspect. Oregon's reward for finishing #1 and undefeated was playing the winner of OSU/Vols while Texas and PSU got the easy street to the semis
Realistically, there are only ever ~6 (maybe 1 or 2 more in certain years) who have a real shot at winning the title. Having a few extra spots for those deserving teams is fine.
But the teams who finish the regular season ranked the highest should get to blast those (relative) cupcakes in their bracket and not the teams who would have been fighting over the final spot in the 4 team playoff era
This post was edited on 1/9/25 at 10:58 pm
Posted on 1/9/25 at 11:01 pm to FAT SEXY
Use computers to pick teams. Its that simple. Much more accurate than opinions and PC feel-good picks.
Posted on 1/10/25 at 8:49 am to Scoob
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The national media, and the other conferences, want the human bias.
Which is it: decide the teams with the same requirements
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we want the human opinion variable?
Posted on 1/10/25 at 9:00 am to FAT SEXY
Last season, folks over here were putting the top 12 teams in brackets and screaming how awesome those matches would have been. The problem was and is, those brackets were the top 12 teams in the polls.
We didn't get close to that this year and we have to pay the price. Giving teams outside the top 12 at the end of the season a seat in the playoffs and a bye was pure stupidity. College football is simply reaping what it sowed and will continue for as long as BEST doesn't matter.
The 10-year run of 4 team playoff has absolutely nothing in common with this mess.
We didn't get close to that this year and we have to pay the price. Giving teams outside the top 12 at the end of the season a seat in the playoffs and a bye was pure stupidity. College football is simply reaping what it sowed and will continue for as long as BEST doesn't matter.
The 10-year run of 4 team playoff has absolutely nothing in common with this mess.
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