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re: Phil Steele rates the homefield advantage for all 120 Division 1 football teams
Posted on 7/30/11 at 11:56 am to Bench McElroy
Posted on 7/30/11 at 11:56 am to Bench McElroy
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The winner in this category last year was Alabama at 111% of capacity as they had an avg attendance of 101,821 with a listed capacity of 92,138.
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Posted on 7/30/11 at 11:56 am to Bench McElroy
Didn't look very long at the list but WTF???? Troy ahead of Kentucky??? Troy's stadium only holds 30,000 and is never sold out. Kentucky may not have a great winning percentage because they host 4 SEC schools per year, but I know their fans show up to support the team.
Posted on 7/30/11 at 12:01 pm to all4AU
I go to some Troy games, and the fans that do show up do their best to make noise, but let's get real, it's like two notches above a big time high school crowd.
Posted on 7/30/11 at 1:55 pm to I-59 Tiger
The winner in this category last year was Alabama at 111% of capacity as they had an avg attendance of 101,821 with a listed capacity of 92,138.
we expanded phillip
we expanded phillip
Posted on 7/30/11 at 2:04 pm to all4AU
TCU doesn't fill their 39,000 seat stadium and he has them near the top. All common sense was taken out of this list
Posted on 7/30/11 at 2:05 pm to Broseph
Steele produces a great mag, simply because it is backed up with stats. It's not Sporting News where they seem to go with gut instincts, or ESPN Mag where it has some retarded theme and seems geared toward 2nd graders who like neat pictures.
But this formula is pretty bogus...and not just because I think he has LSU low.
He rates on things such as home record? Well of course Boise will be high, they play shite teams at home.
His noise is calculated by what he saw on his 12 tvs? I figured this guy would get a decibal reading...which is more accurate than a tv. Different cable networks have mics in different areas of the stadium, producing different noise readings.
Stadium capacities are ALWAYS different depending on who you trust.
And we are overlooking the fact that a great team is great regardless of where it plays. If Alabama played on an open field at a junior high, they would still be a good team. That doesn't mean they have a great home field advantage.
I like what he tried to do...but this requires more work for that.
But this formula is pretty bogus...and not just because I think he has LSU low.
He rates on things such as home record? Well of course Boise will be high, they play shite teams at home.
His noise is calculated by what he saw on his 12 tvs? I figured this guy would get a decibal reading...which is more accurate than a tv. Different cable networks have mics in different areas of the stadium, producing different noise readings.
Stadium capacities are ALWAYS different depending on who you trust.
And we are overlooking the fact that a great team is great regardless of where it plays. If Alabama played on an open field at a junior high, they would still be a good team. That doesn't mean they have a great home field advantage.
I like what he tried to do...but this requires more work for that.
Posted on 7/30/11 at 2:27 pm to Broseph
The winner in this category last year was Alabama at 111% of capacity as they had an avg attendance of 101,821 with a listed capacity of 92,138.
Alabama is 1-5 against their hated rival Auburn at home since 2000, including blowing a 24 point lead last year when they were ranked in the top 10.
Now which one of the two statements above is more persuasive to an unbiased mind concerning the topic of "home field advantage"?
PS would have been (slightly) better off just using point spreads. It's my understanding that oddsmakers set lines based on how well the two teams match up on paper and then adjust them based on game location. Why not just do a comprehensive analysis of how teams fare against the initial line when playing at home versus on the road and do that for their opposition as well and then blend that into an objective analysis (ie, this stadium is worth on average four points a game, while this one is worth only one, etc.)
Posted on 7/30/11 at 2:30 pm to AUFANATL
Vanderbilt is about right. I have plenty of first hand experience seeing that. 
Posted on 7/30/11 at 2:43 pm to AUFANATL
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Now which one of the two statements above is more persuasive to an unbiased mind concerning the topic of "home field advantage"?
Alabama had a 19 game home winning streak, before losing to Auburn. Even after what was mostly a bad decade, since 2000, Alabama is 53-19 at home. Including 24-4 under Saban. I'm not sure how one loss, to the eventual national champion, changes what was accomplished beforehand. I mean, Alabama could possibly go to 4-3 at Auburn since 1997. Does that mean Auburn doesn't have a good home field advantage?
Posted on 7/30/11 at 3:08 pm to TexasTiger08
This...
and this...
Are why this list is not that good. A team's ability to win at home against shoddy competition (see: OU and BSU) =/= homefield advantage. A strong homefield advantage is a team who plays above its level and wins games at home that it shouldn't or would otherwise lose on a neutral field.
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He rates on things such as home record? Well of course Boise will be high, they play shite teams at home.
and this...
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And we are overlooking the fact that a great team is great regardless of where it plays. If Alabama played on an open field at a junior high, they would still be a good team. That doesn't mean they have a great home field advantage.
Are why this list is not that good. A team's ability to win at home against shoddy competition (see: OU and BSU) =/= homefield advantage. A strong homefield advantage is a team who plays above its level and wins games at home that it shouldn't or would otherwise lose on a neutral field.
Posted on 7/30/11 at 3:34 pm to Archie Bengal Bunker
He mentioned using Vegas spread...which is also bullshite.
I think it's easier in the days of 'parity' in college football to cover a 27 point spread against Idaho State than it is to stay within 2 of Alabama.
In SEC play, or Big TEN and Pac 12 play, spreads against tough competition will be 2, 2.5, 3, etc.
That means you lose a hard fought game 27-21, you still don't cover...this being at home.
I think it's easier in the days of 'parity' in college football to cover a 27 point spread against Idaho State than it is to stay within 2 of Alabama.
In SEC play, or Big TEN and Pac 12 play, spreads against tough competition will be 2, 2.5, 3, etc.
That means you lose a hard fought game 27-21, you still don't cover...this being at home.
Posted on 7/30/11 at 5:33 pm to Bench McElroy
This list was bound to upset the corndogs. They really really want to have the best game atmosphere.
Posted on 7/30/11 at 6:12 pm to I-59 Tiger
That list should have six SEC schools in the top 10.
Posted on 7/30/11 at 7:37 pm to Wrestler171
Yeah, TCU with it's 46,000 strong stadium in front of LSU and Auburn.
I meant, like, no.
I meant, like, no.
Posted on 7/30/11 at 7:44 pm to Bench McElroy
Hawaii ahead of LSU? Come on
Posted on 7/30/11 at 7:44 pm to Bench McElroy
boise tcu and hawaii in front of us lulz.
Posted on 7/30/11 at 8:02 pm to AUFANATL
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Alabama is 1-5 against their hated rival Auburn at home since 2000
That might make a frick if BDS was built in 2000.
Posted on 7/30/11 at 8:04 pm to DeathValleyBlades
i didn't read everything on how he came up with this formula but i highly doubt the strength of each team you play at home was weighted heavy enough.
if it was boise wouldn't be on the list since they play no one
if it was boise wouldn't be on the list since they play no one
Posted on 7/30/11 at 8:45 pm to Bench McElroy
I knew we were screwed when he started talking about margin of victory.
LSU likes to keep the other teams in the game.
LSU likes to keep the other teams in the game.
Posted on 7/30/11 at 9:04 pm to AtlantaLSUfan
I'm sure that LSU would be fricking overjoyed to hear that Alabama could only seat 45,000 this year. That list is a fricking joke. Capacity and actuall noise should be the two biggest factors.
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