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Posted on 1/15/20 at 5:30 pm to auburnnyc94
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I'm not sure how familiar you all are with the PFF methodology, but it's very much bullshite
Only when it favors other teams!
Posted on 1/15/20 at 5:44 pm to so_comfort
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8. JAKE FROMM – GEORGIA
Would be interesting to read the replies to this thread in an alternate universe where Fromm was coming back to UGA. I suspect there would have been more disagreement with that ranking.
Posted on 1/15/20 at 5:47 pm to wdhalgren
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Would be interesting to read the replies to this thread in an alternate universe where Fromm was coming back to UGA. I suspect there would have been more disagreement with that ranking.
I would pay money to read an article where someone broke down Fromm's efficiency etc when Cager and Pickens were in the game, vs when one of them was out of the game.
Posted on 1/15/20 at 6:17 pm to auburnnyc94
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sure how familiar you all are with the PFF methodology, but it's very much bullshite
I am not familiar. What makes it bullshite?
Posted on 1/15/20 at 6:37 pm to djsdawg
I just realized what a dumbass I am.
I said Newman is #2 in the SEC for returning QB's for 2020, behind only Tua..... I totally brainfarted that Tua isn't returning.
That means...
UGA's Jamie Newman is the highest rated returning QB in the SEC for 2020, according to PFF.
I said Newman is #2 in the SEC for returning QB's for 2020, behind only Tua..... I totally brainfarted that Tua isn't returning.
That means...
UGA's Jamie Newman is the highest rated returning QB in the SEC for 2020, according to PFF.
Posted on 1/15/20 at 6:47 pm to deeprig9
Not good news for our opponents if he is as good as pff thinks he is.
Posted on 1/15/20 at 7:04 pm to djsdawg
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I am not familiar. What makes it bullshite?
It's not totally bullshite but it's also very questionable.
Kyle Trask had similar numbers playing in the SEC (and sharing snaps almost the entire year + not playing Miami and missing half of Kentucky). Kyle also had 4 less interceptions and a better completion percentage while playing:
#4 Georgia
#1 LSU (Away team)
#14 Auburn
#25 Virginia
Florida was also competitive in all of those games. Kyle Trask hit 310 against LSU, 257 against Georgia, 305 against Virginia and 234 against Auburn.
His lowest was 134 against Kentucky (which all came in the fourth Quarter).
On the flip side, Jamie only played a single team that was ranked: Clemson.
He went 6/14 and had 0 touchdowns, 2 interceptions and 41 yards.
Before you say: "bUt mUh TaLeNT", he went on to play Syracuse where he went:
6/13, 0 touchdowns and 1 interception for 71 yards.
So one guy gets rewarded for playing a schedule of nobodies while the other is royally punished for playing two top four teams + two ranked teams.
That's why Kyle Trask is ranked 11th in Total QBR which takes into account metrics such as SoS and also where the ball is placed, giving less credit to QBs who complete shorter passes.
I'll take Total QBR and regular QBR over PFF any day of the week if all you need are decent numbers against weak competition.
Posted on 1/15/20 at 7:07 pm to StrawsDrawnAtRandom
Im glad Jamie La'Jai Newman scares you enough to type all that out.
Posted on 1/15/20 at 7:10 pm to so_comfort
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101. BO NIX – AUBURN
Preseason Rank: 96; Week 6 Rank: 88; Week 12 Rank: 96
The SEC Freshman of the Year was certainly not in the running to win such an award from us at PFF, as Nix continually didn’t grade well all season long, finishing with 18 turnover-worthy passes (T-28th) to just 17 big-time throws (T-47th). His highlight-reel plays were something, but he was far too often inaccurate with the ball, throwing an uncatchable, inaccurate pass on 26.5% of his throws. He finished as just the 105th-ranked quarterback in passing grade while his 63.0% completion percentage from a clean pocket ranked just 128th. He did some things well, however, as he was rather sharp on throws across the middle of the field, seeing an 81.5 passing grade and completing 93-of-133 passes for 1,036 yards and eight scores on throws targeted between the numbers last season.
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he was rather sharp on throws across the middle of the field, seeing an 81.5 passing grade and completing 93-of-133 passes for 1,036 yards and eight scores on throws targeted between the numbers
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he was rather sharp on throws across the middle of the field
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middle of the field
Can someone PLEASE tell Gus.
Posted on 1/15/20 at 7:35 pm to deeprig9
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Im glad Jamie La'Jai Newman scares you enough to type all that out.
I just like Quarterbacks as a position.
I successfully called Fromm being a bust years ago, I also successfully predicted that Trask would be better than Franks.
In fact, QB is probably where I'm the sharpest from mechanics all the way through to scheme.
Jamie does the complete opposite of scare me. He has some problems that Franks had -- decent mobility, can't really see the middle of the field and most of his passes aren't really touch, they're just "let me throw it hard and hope my guy gets under it", which is great for the ACC.
Not a good idea in the SEC. That's why the kid has 11 interceptions, which is pretty high considering the ACC is hot dogshit in passing defense.
Posted on 1/15/20 at 7:41 pm to StrawsDrawnAtRandom
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Not a good idea in the SEC. That's why the kid has 11 interceptions
A lot of times, interceptions are a sign of forcing throws. That happens when the game is a shootout. That happens when you are down (unless you are coached by Mullen and he doesnt even try to get back in the game when down by 14 with 8 minutes to go)
Posted on 1/15/20 at 7:46 pm to so_comfort
List is harsh on Trask
Posted on 1/15/20 at 7:49 pm to meansonny
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A lot of times, interceptions are a sign of forcing throws. That happens when the game is a shootout. That happens when you are down (unless you are coached by Mullen and he doesnt even try to get back in the game when down by 14 with 8 minutes to go)
Trask had more completions than Jamie, and we were in a few shootouts. He also had a higher completion percentage, only threw one less TD (keep in mind he replaced Franks and split snaps all season with Emory).
Jamie hit less than 50% of his passes in 5 games, Trask never hit less than 50% in any game for any reason this year.
He also had 5 interceptions less with extremely limited help in the run game.
Trask is a much better QB and everyone knows it. He also played LSU at night in Death Valley, UGA, Virginia and Auburn.
Jamie played Clemson and that's it.
Posted on 1/15/20 at 7:50 pm to StrawsDrawnAtRandom
Newman and Trask's stats aren't alot different, particularly the ratios. But Newman has 574 yards rushing to Trask's 8.
Newman has 11 interceptions, that's slightly less than 1 per game. Not great, but it's not an abomination either.
Trask has 7 interceptions in 10 games started, so he's not that far ahead of Newman in that particular category.
2% of Trask's passes are intercepted. 3% of Newman's were.
My point is that as much as you love Trask, and sing his praises, it's ironic you would shite on Newman who has very similar stats.
And just so you know, the analyzers at PFF agree with me, not you. Do you think PFF has a Wake Forest or Georgia bias?
Newman has 11 interceptions, that's slightly less than 1 per game. Not great, but it's not an abomination either.
Trask has 7 interceptions in 10 games started, so he's not that far ahead of Newman in that particular category.
2% of Trask's passes are intercepted. 3% of Newman's were.
My point is that as much as you love Trask, and sing his praises, it's ironic you would shite on Newman who has very similar stats.
And just so you know, the analyzers at PFF agree with me, not you. Do you think PFF has a Wake Forest or Georgia bias?
Posted on 1/15/20 at 7:54 pm to StrawsDrawnAtRandom
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Trask is a much better QB and everyone knows it.
PFF didn't get the memo.
Posted on 1/15/20 at 8:35 pm to deeprig9
It's funny how this thread was a flurry of activity until it was pointed out that Georgia has the #1 guy returning in the SEC for 2020.
The fear has set in.
The fear has set in.
Posted on 1/15/20 at 9:03 pm to so_comfort
Pff has Lawrence at number 2? Man that shows all you need to know about them
Posted on 1/15/20 at 9:06 pm to Kcstills17
So Georgia got worse at QB going from #8 Fromm to #16 Newman?
Posted on 1/15/20 at 9:07 pm to StrawsDrawnAtRandom
A point to add in the Newman vs. Trask debate.
Newman would actually be the perfect QB for Mullen's system. Big, bruising runner with great accuracy on the deep ball. He actually reminds me a lot of Dak Prescott in many ways.
I can't say with certainly that either one will put up better stats due to the uncertainty surrounding UGA's scheme, but I for damn sure know Cousin Eddie would trade straight up in a heartbeat.
Newman would actually be the perfect QB for Mullen's system. Big, bruising runner with great accuracy on the deep ball. He actually reminds me a lot of Dak Prescott in many ways.
I can't say with certainly that either one will put up better stats due to the uncertainty surrounding UGA's scheme, but I for damn sure know Cousin Eddie would trade straight up in a heartbeat.
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