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re: Paul Finebaum: USC, UCLA to Big Ten better move than Oklahoma, Texas to SEC
Posted on 7/23/22 at 7:38 pm to BuckI
Posted on 7/23/22 at 7:38 pm to BuckI
"Either you are trolling or you have no business sense. All of those will be marquee matchups on CBS and at primetime and will be huge ratings. Anytime any combination of Ohio State, Michigan, Penn St, and USC get together than it is THE game of the week!"
Penn State 7-6
Michigan 12-2 (lost to an SEC team)
Ohio State 11-2
USCw 4-8
Records from last year
Yeah those are Marquee Games for sure....
Penn State 7-6
Michigan 12-2 (lost to an SEC team)
Ohio State 11-2
USCw 4-8
Records from last year
Yeah those are Marquee Games for sure....
This post was edited on 7/23/22 at 7:41 pm
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Posted on 7/23/22 at 7:53 pm to TideFaninFl
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Shoot dude, USCe has won 2 in baseball, Vanderbilt 1 in baseball, even the Mississippi teams have won back to back baseball titles. The SEC's weakest teams are winning titles, (and we are not even talking football)
3rd realignment SEC
6 for LSU, last in 2009 - Charter school
6 for Texas, last in 2005 - SIAA (pre SEC)
2 for SC, last in 2011 - SoCon (pre SEC)
2 for VU, last in 2019 - Charter school
2 for OU, last in 1994 - new to SEC
1 for Rebs, 2022 - Charter school
1 for State, 2021 Charter school
1 for UF, 2017 - Charter school
1 for UGA, 1990 - Charter school
1 for Mizzou, 1954 - new to SEC
3rd realignment in B1G
12 for USC - new to B1G (11 from 1948 - 1978, 1 since in 1998)
3 for Minnesota, 1956 - 1964
2 for Michigan, 1953 & 1962
1 for UCLA, 2013 - new to B1G
1 for Ohio State, 1966
"Steel sharpens Steel" as witnesses in SEC being tough top to bottom
USC and UCLA playing in the B1G will rust over time, not get better
Posted on 7/23/22 at 8:08 pm to BuckI
UCLA was marquee in the 60's and 70's. I was alive back then to witness, they are nowhere near that in modern football. I have good business sense and I remember the UCLA crowds back then so I can tell you, you are delusional.
USC has not been a threat since Pete Carroll was there. Unless they are in the CFP hunt nobody cares. They will not be the game of the week and now they have left their PAC rivals behind they will be another Nebraska in the B1G. B1G is just 2 schools at best and the others just go there to die because the B1G will never wake up and feed their other children.
Look, there are Ivy League level schools in the B1G but Ohio State is not one of them. I have partied on High Street and you guys are no Chicago or Minnesota. Your delusion is great if you think you are. You have been the only P5 school in the recruit rich state of OH and you enjoyed a monopoly but that is comming to an end with UC and UK now getting OH recruits. They may be the "cast offs" now but they are inching up.
USC has not been a threat since Pete Carroll was there. Unless they are in the CFP hunt nobody cares. They will not be the game of the week and now they have left their PAC rivals behind they will be another Nebraska in the B1G. B1G is just 2 schools at best and the others just go there to die because the B1G will never wake up and feed their other children.
Look, there are Ivy League level schools in the B1G but Ohio State is not one of them. I have partied on High Street and you guys are no Chicago or Minnesota. Your delusion is great if you think you are. You have been the only P5 school in the recruit rich state of OH and you enjoyed a monopoly but that is comming to an end with UC and UK now getting OH recruits. They may be the "cast offs" now but they are inching up.
Posted on 7/23/22 at 8:15 pm to Cheese Grits
UC and UK?
Why would Ohio kids go to those 2 and play for nothing when they can come to THE Ohio State and make millions and play for a national title.
We probably have more national titles than UK has 10 win season. And the only reason UC went to the playoff was that we were down last season and UC played no one. You lost what little credibility you have.
Why would Ohio kids go to those 2 and play for nothing when they can come to THE Ohio State and make millions and play for a national title.
We probably have more national titles than UK has 10 win season. And the only reason UC went to the playoff was that we were down last season and UC played no one. You lost what little credibility you have.
Posted on 7/23/22 at 8:23 pm to BuckI
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Why would Ohio kids go to those 2 and play for nothing when they can come to THE Ohio State and make millions and play for a national title.
1) To compete week after week against the best competition
2) To be televised nationwide because they are playing against the best competition
3) To play against the National Title winner for that year
4) To make millions in the NFL since they have played against the best competition and did well
(oh that 2 NC Ohio State has won since 1970 is cute, but several Southern schools have won 3 or more during that time)
Posted on 7/23/22 at 8:24 pm to BurntOrangeMan
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LA football market vs DFW, Houston, Austin, San Antonio & OKC?
Not today and certainly not tmrw.
Yep. I'd take total ownership of the Texas and Oklahoma tv market and recruiting grounds any day over LA. Lot's of people is not the same as lots of people who watch college football. For example, the Birmingham tv market has more people watching college football on an average Saturday than the NYC market. Texas and Oklahoma have infinitely more college football fans than LA.
Posted on 7/23/22 at 8:27 pm to MillerLiteTime
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Yep. I'd take total ownership of the Texas and Oklahoma tv market and recruiting grounds any day over LA. Lot's of people is not the same as lots of people who watch college football. For example, the Birmingham tv market has more people watching college football on an average Saturday than the NYC market. Texas and Oklahoma have infinitely more college football fans than LA.
To put it simply, so the Big Ten fans can understand, the Big Ten bought a pig in a poke with USCw and UCLA.
This post was edited on 7/24/22 at 1:25 am
Posted on 7/23/22 at 8:54 pm to BuckI
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UC
Spent most of their history as a MAC level school till they joined the Big East less than 20 years ago. Since then Dantonio, Kelly, Jones, and Tubbs did time there and now a former tOSU coach is at UC. Last year they were in the CFP and BuckNuts was not, and they were not in a P5 conference to get there.
Laugh now but at your own peril as UC narrows the gap on recruiting OH kids.
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UK
Again, 20 years ago UK could not recruit OH as BuckNuts had the monopoly but that is changing. Stoops has ties to OH for recruiting and cut his teeth at FSU. Sure he started 2-10 at UK but has put together (2) 10 win seasons since (accomplished by Bear Bryant in 1950 and Fran Curci in 1977). He went 10-3 and beat Penn State in 2018 and 10-3 last year and beat Iowa. As the northern most SEC Charter school, they are picking off kids that played high school North of the Ohio Ocean and want the exposure the SEC provides while staying close to home. He played UGA @ UGA and scored the most TD's against them last year. They are a darkhorse to go to Atlanta this year.
Also, Tim Couch played at UK and went #1 in the NFL draft so not like a kid at UK is hampered in the NFL.
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You lost what little credibility you have.
Says you but I study history and tOSU and the B1G are like Ancient Rome who believed their wn press while they crumbled from within. By the time the Barbarians sacked Rome they were already crumbling from within but still believed they were the Rome of their fathers and grandfathers.
Posted on 7/23/22 at 9:08 pm to TideFaninFl
Kentucky rarely plays on national TV and Cincinnati is even rarer. Those 2 have no place in Ohio recruiting other than taking the players THE Ohio State does not want.
Ohio State has put more players in the pros than both UK and uC combined. What a joke.
Ohio State has put more players in the pros than both UK and uC combined. What a joke.
Posted on 7/23/22 at 9:11 pm to Cheese Grits
I watched Tim Couch in Cleveland. He spent more time on his back than on his feet. Did he learn that at Kentucky? 
ANd the only reason UC was in the playoff was that they never had to play anyone. Look how Alabama beat them. Read a new book because you ain't learning nothing from the ones you have read.
ANd the only reason UC was in the playoff was that they never had to play anyone. Look how Alabama beat them. Read a new book because you ain't learning nothing from the ones you have read.
Posted on 7/23/22 at 9:18 pm to BuckI
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Ohio State has put more players in the pros than both UK and uC combined.
That may be true but until Chicago quit the B1G, both the Maroons and the Gophers were better than Ohio State and neither are the powers they were. First thing they tell you in investing is "past performance does not guarantee future returns". Georgia Tech has 4 MNC's under 4 different coaches in 4 different ages but nobody sees them as a CFB threat today. Michigan State, Penn State, and Nebraska all had MNC's before joining the B1G but NONE since. The Sugar Bowl was built for Tulane, not LSU as they were the power in LA back in the day.
The more you look to your past the more likely you are t get stuck in it.
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What a joke.
The joke is in your hand and still you deny it.
Posted on 7/23/22 at 9:29 pm to BuckI
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I watched Tim Couch in Cleveland. He spent more time on his back than on his feet.
Browns were dumb. Paid for the #1 pick but were too cheap after to pay for the linemen to protect him.
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ANd the only reason UC was in the playoff was that they never had to play anyone.
That may be, but ....
2020 UC lost 21-24 to Georgia in the Peach Bowl
2021 UC lost 6-27 t Alabama in the CFP
2020 tOSU got arse pounded by Alabama 24-52 in CFP
2021 tOSU barely beat Utah in the Rose Bowl 48-45
Again, neither UC or UK were the teams they were 20 years ago and to deny this just sets you up for the fall in the future.
Posted on 7/23/22 at 9:31 pm to Cheese Grits
Sure hope the BIG conference doesn't decide to try and pull the great combo of Ole Miss & Moo U away from the SEC...
I doubt the SEC would even stay together after that massive blow
I doubt the SEC would even stay together after that massive blow
Posted on 7/23/22 at 9:39 pm to winston1970
The idea that Texas and Oklahoma won't significantly increase viewership in Texas because ATM is beyond stupid.
The idea that Oklahoma "only" brings the OKC market is also beyond stupid. OU will be another SEC team that brings eyeballs from all across the nation because they are one of the most watched teams in the country. Mostly because people want to see them get beat.
The idea that Oklahoma "only" brings the OKC market is also beyond stupid. OU will be another SEC team that brings eyeballs from all across the nation because they are one of the most watched teams in the country. Mostly because people want to see them get beat.
Posted on 7/23/22 at 10:32 pm to BuckI
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He has rejuvenated that place.
Will you feel that way when a top 25 current Big 10 team goes out to LA to play USC and there are 45K empty seats in the coliseum? Or 65K empty seats in the Rose Bowl for UCLA?
I agree that getting USC and UCLA isn't a bad thing for the Big 10, but it isn't that great either.
Posted on 7/24/22 at 5:57 am to BuckI
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...the Lincoln Riley factor is huge. He is the perfect coach for them.
Lacking a killer instinct and willingness to completely crush an opponent and put them away? I bet after 3-4 years of watching teams that are vastly out-talented across the board mysteriously come back and make the game a last second thriller, tossing in the occassional stunning loss, many USC fans will beg to differ.
Posted on 7/24/22 at 6:10 am to BuckI
Pawl might wish to check the attendance for USC and UCLA over these past 5-7 years.
Football is done on the West Coast.
Football is done on the West Coast.
Posted on 7/24/22 at 6:11 am to BuckI
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I'm sorry if the truth hurts but Riley said he went to USC as soon as they offered because he knew it offered him the best chance of winning a national title.
I hope he feels that way, and heck, I even kind of wish he pulls off a nice turn around there. I think it would be great to see USC get back into the top of the game again.
But there's no doubt he went to the OU admin with his higher-than-Saban salary offer and asked for a match or better. That initiated an on-the-spot performance review. 2 years as offensive coordinator, 5 years as head coach, consistent top ten recruiting classes every single one of those years. Yet not only did a national title possibility seem forlorn, outside of the most otherwise freakish luck, it seemed we were poised to actually regress. His comments after the Baylor loss hammered it home - he didn't think it was right for them to 'run up' the score. That's absolutely NO PROGRESS in seven years.
Sorry, but the expectations at a job like OU are just a bit higher. We know we won't be winning a national title every other year, but we certainly expect to atleast be realistically competing for one every few years, and actually having a shot to win. And every game where we vastly out talent our opponent should not be close except, again, barring the most freakishly unlucky circumstances combined with a supernatural level of preparation.
Maybe he will become that kind of coach. But he's obviously not now, and there's no sign he will be anytime soon.
This post was edited on 7/24/22 at 6:15 am
Posted on 7/24/22 at 6:44 am to BuckI
quote:Of course it is. One of these two is in LA, and the other in the wastelands of Oklahoma.
USC is a bigger brand than Oklahoma. Your own coach even said so.
Posted on 7/24/22 at 8:16 am to ColoradoAg
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One of these two is in LA, and the other in the wastelands of Oklahoma.
Populations are part of the equation
Brands are part of the equation
Historically brands have held sway to get folks to say Tuscaloosa or Norman but the Wall Street greed that gained traction in the 80's have been driven by raw eyeball numbers. College is not pros (tho heading that way) so schools like UK and SC (with historically bad football) have filled their stadiums while city schools could not.
LA is a pro town now and that means USC or UCLA have to actually be good to put folks in the seats and that is without the distractions of surfing and other "dude" sports. SEC has fewer eyeballs (or their media deals would dwarf all others) but they have depth across the conference year round and multiple sports which means they can actually have folks watching their network year round.
My personal opinion is the glory days are behind them and being in the B1G will not help USC or UCLA football (and it is knee jerk to SEC landing OU and Utx). Where it will really hurt these 2 schools is their other sports. PAC baseball is deep enough to provide PTN content but B1G baseball is a joke and will harm the 2 cali schools. B1G is build to feed just 2 programs in a single sport (the demise of IU basketball and second class status of tOSU basketball shows this in greater focus) and will not be a boon for UCLA basketball.
Sooners sports profile fits the SEC profile and will bring value to the SECN. Utx sports is not a problem, the biggest issue for Utx in any conference is their administration and their fans. Both will provide content in sports where the SEC is already deep so the possibility for LIVE content year round for "must see" events goes up.
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