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re: OU received invite in 2010 but did not think A&M was a good partner
Posted on 5/11/23 at 3:03 pm to turnpiketiger
Posted on 5/11/23 at 3:03 pm to turnpiketiger
"Not sure if this has been discussed but I find it interesting that the SEC wanted OU in 2010 but the fact that it would have meant coming with A&M turned them off."
Had nothing to do with whether TAMU was a good partner.
David Boren, OU President, wanted to take OU's little brother, OSU, instead of TAMU.
Had nothing to do with whether TAMU was a good partner.
David Boren, OU President, wanted to take OU's little brother, OSU, instead of TAMU.
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Posted on 5/11/23 at 3:09 pm to RktCtySooner
Similar to the creation of the Big 12 when Gov. Ann Richards (Baylor Alum) and Lt. Governor Bob Bullock (Texas Tech Alum) intervened to make sure Baylor and Tech came along as well.
I do wonder what finally happened to knock the politicians out of the way.
I do wonder what finally happened to knock the politicians out of the way.
Posted on 5/11/23 at 3:28 pm to Buster83
quote:Yes, and when the scenario presented itself Texas was content to never play you again because you don't really matter to us. That is not true for Oklahoma.
There wasn't with A&M either until it happened.
quote:I do, but it doesn't seem like you do. Let's recap:
You do understand what we are talking about? Right?
OU Fan: Ending the TX/OU game "Was never a possibility."
You: "A&M thought the same thing with their rivalry game with tu."
Your post suggested that the chance of Texas ending the RRS is greater than 0.0%, which is ridiculous. There has never been, nor will there ever be, a scenario where Texas or Oklahoma would make a move that didn't include keeping that game. It is sacrosanct in the eyes of both administrations and they will bend Heaven and Earth to keep it. The aggy game? Meh.
Posted on 5/11/23 at 3:36 pm to turnpiketiger
Would 1 of those schools have been put in the East?
Remember, the SEC will not break up same-state schools (Ala./Aub., Miss/MSU, Tenn./Vandy)
Remember, the SEC will not break up same-state schools (Ala./Aub., Miss/MSU, Tenn./Vandy)
Posted on 5/11/23 at 3:42 pm to FluffyBunnyFeet
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I do, but it doesn't seem like you do. Let's recap:
So what do you think would have happened had A&M and blowU both left the Big 12-2-2+2+4-2 at the same time in 2010?
I guess we will never really know.
This post was edited on 5/11/23 at 3:44 pm
Posted on 5/11/23 at 3:50 pm to Buster83
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So what do you think would have happened had A&M and blowU both left the Big 12-2-2+2+4-2 at the same time in 2010? I guess we will never really know.
We do know. We'd have watched you walk away and not given a single frick about it. The TX/OU game would have continued as normal since Oklahoma would have negotiated keeping it as a condition of the move.
Posted on 5/11/23 at 6:22 pm to turnpiketiger
Without boren OU would have been in the sec in 2010
Posted on 5/11/23 at 7:41 pm to FluffyBunnyFeet
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Your post suggested that the chance of Texas ending the RRS is greater than 0.0%, which is ridiculous. There has never been, nor will there ever be, a scenario where Texas or Oklahoma would make a move that didn't include keeping that game. It is sacrosanct in the eyes of both administrations and they will bend Heaven and Earth to keep it. The aggy game? Meh.
I don't know. Never say never.
The Oklahoma/Nebraska rivalry was always much more impressive to me and had a much more glorious and important past, but that got tossed on the bonfire.
The importance of the Texas OU rivarly is for bunch of frat guys to get drunk in Dallas on an annual basis and for Oklahoma to keep leaching off Texas football talent. It is never that important of a head to head game.
Posted on 5/11/23 at 9:11 pm to Windy City
quote:Guess OU appreciated the Texas game more than the Nebraska game
The Oklahoma/Nebraska rivalry was always much more impressive to me and had a much more glorious and important past, but that got tossed on the bonfire.
quote:Yea. Two of the top 7 winningest teams all time playing in the same place for almost forever has been "never that important"
It is never that important of a head to head game.
It's almost as if you actually believe this
This post was edited on 5/11/23 at 9:16 pm
Posted on 5/12/23 at 1:33 am to Matts El Rancho
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Guess OU appreciated the Texas game more than the Nebraska game
We loved the Nebraska rivalry and many of us hated losing it. It was an early casualty of realiagnment, and in some ways a dreadful portent of things to come (actually hate the idea of losing the OSU game even more).
But the OU/UT game is a part of our respective college football identities. I'm not sure many of our fans could easily imagine living in a time when that game didn't exist. It wouldn't matter if all of the conferences, ACC, SEC, B1G, PAC, B12, all realigned themselves into oblivion tomorrow. That game will still be scheduled, and it will still go on as planned in the location where it is traditionally hosted. The sport itself will come to end on the day that rivalry game stops being played.
This post was edited on 5/12/23 at 1:40 am
Posted on 5/12/23 at 8:55 am to Matts El Rancho
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Yea. Two of the top 7 winningest teams all time playing in the same place for almost forever has been "never that important"
It's almost as if you actually believe this
I do believe it.
Firstly, lets dispense with much of the pre-WW2 stuff that teams use to pad the resume.
The last 20 years have been a bit irrelevant. Even during Texas brief run under Mack Brown, there were really no consequential matchups. the 2002 game should have been but both teams lost games thereafter.
2001 could have been a big game but Texas didn't show up.
What are the important games of the series? You are hard pressed to find one.
This post was edited on 5/12/23 at 8:56 am
Posted on 5/12/23 at 9:55 am to FluffyBunnyFeet
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We do know. We'd have watched you walk away and not given a single frick about it.
Can you explain why over the last 7 or 8 years your AD, del Conte, and the coaches have been begging A&M to renew the rivalry?
I can tell you why. Since A&M left the Big 12, tu football has become insignificant. Ya'll have not had a lot of success winning football games. The lhn turned out to be a big flop. Made some really poor choices in coaches. The culture of the football team has gone down hill. The league that tu more or less runs is dying. The tv networks did not even want to discuss a new contract. CDC believed that renewing the rivalry with A&M would have brought more interest to the big 12 and help get the tv networks talking to the big 12. Continued refusals by A&M forced CDC to beg for an invitation to the SEC.
The SEC officials said okay, but you have to bring chokelahoma with you. Chokelahoma does whatever little sister tells them to do.
Posted on 5/12/23 at 10:52 am to Windy City
quote:Texas and OU won more games than any other power 5 school from 2000-09. That was before WWII? News to me!
Firstly, lets dispense with much of the pre-WW2 stuff that teams use to pad the resume
quote:From 2000-09, one of either Texas or OU played in the national championship game 6 different years.
The last 20 years have been a bit irrelevant. Even during Texas brief run under Mack Brown, there were really no consequential matchups.
quote:See above. College Gameday has also been to that specific game 7 times in the time period you referenced, so...
What are the important games of the series? You are hard pressed to find one.
This post was edited on 5/12/23 at 10:57 am
Posted on 5/12/23 at 11:57 am to Matts El Rancho
quote:
From 2000-09, one of either Texas or OU played in the national championship game 6 different years.
aggy: oh yeah, well from 2015 to 2020 the winner of the Bama v. aggy game won the NC 3 times.
This post was edited on 5/12/23 at 12:05 pm
Posted on 5/12/23 at 12:06 pm to Matts El Rancho
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See above. College Gameday has also been to that specific game 7 times in the time period you referenced, so...
College gameday goes to all sorts of matchups that don't mean much.
We are talking past each other and you are clearly not processing what I am saying. I don't mean interesting matchups . . . .I mean stuff that determined BCS playoffs type matchups.
So I will just ask. What Texas OU game had true national implications the last 50 years?
I have seen a lot of that in other rivalries but not this one.
This post was edited on 5/12/23 at 12:08 pm
Posted on 5/12/23 at 12:35 pm to Windy City
quote:Uh...
I don't mean interesting matchups . . . .I mean stuff that determined BCS playoffs type matchups.
So I will just ask. What Texas OU game had true national implications the last 50 years?
I have seen a lot of that in other rivalries but not this one.
quote:I'd say sending a team to the national championship 6 times in only 1/5 of the 50-year period you've set forth is pretty important
From 2000-09, one of either Texas or OU played in the national championship game 6 different years.
Posted on 5/12/23 at 12:37 pm to Boomer Sooner 1890
quote:Seriously
aggy: oh yeah, well from 2015 to 2020 the winner of the Bama v. aggy game won the NC 3 times.
What's hilariously ironic is how much they're working themselves up over the RRS game while failing to realize not a single power 5 team on their schedule considers a&m their biggest game of the year
Posted on 5/12/23 at 12:43 pm to Matts El Rancho
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What's hilariously ironic is how much they're working themselves up over the RRS game while failing to realize not a single power 5 team on their schedule considers a&m their biggest game of the year
Just lose to them. Then you will look just like LSU. Trying to explain how TAMU isn't their rival while starting 150 threads about them on the rant.
Running your mouth in the offseason isn't going to win anyone anything in the SEC.
Posted on 5/12/23 at 12:45 pm to Matts El Rancho
Still not getting it . . . .I am starting to think you are one of the annoying as f$%k Texas State/St. Edwards T shirt fans.
The only matchup during that span that had a real say potentially in a title run was 2001 and 2002. The Longhorns didn't show up in 2001. I had a great view of Roy Williams Superman dive over the line that year and OU went on to drop multiple games and play in the Cotton Bowl.
2002 looked like an important matchup but Texas got steamrolled by Quentin Griffin and dropped a game to Tech later.
OU won the head to head 7-4 during that stretch with several near 50 point blowouts.
The one year you guys were really rolling (2005), OU was down and unranked in the matchup.
The only matchup during that span that had a real say potentially in a title run was 2001 and 2002. The Longhorns didn't show up in 2001. I had a great view of Roy Williams Superman dive over the line that year and OU went on to drop multiple games and play in the Cotton Bowl.
2002 looked like an important matchup but Texas got steamrolled by Quentin Griffin and dropped a game to Tech later.
OU won the head to head 7-4 during that stretch with several near 50 point blowouts.
The one year you guys were really rolling (2005), OU was down and unranked in the matchup.
This post was edited on 5/12/23 at 12:48 pm
Posted on 5/12/23 at 12:48 pm to Windy City
quote:Ooooof. Someone's annoyed their post is refuted by one single sentence
Still not getting it . . . .I am starting to think you are one of the annoying as f$%k Texas State/St. eds T shirt fans.
quote:And 03, and 05, and 08 and 09... You realize those teams played in the championship that year, right? You also realize that if one of those teams lost (sans 08), they wouldn't have played in the championship, right?
he only matchup during that span that had a real say potentially in a title run was 2001 and 2002.
Oh wait... I'm talking to an aggie. You have no idea how championships work
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