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re: Oklahoma fans……I’m requesting a full explanation of what the hell happened last year
Posted on 7/9/23 at 9:30 pm to Roll on Tigers
Posted on 7/9/23 at 9:30 pm to Roll on Tigers
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Georgia isn’t a blue blood
Georgia is a better job than Oklahoma
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Posted on 7/9/23 at 9:46 pm to Riggle
OU had something like 30 returning scholarship players total after Riley left. Over half the team portaled including the heisman winning QB, and a couple of the better WR on the team. Once Gabriel went down there was no backup option, no way to move the ball. Couple that with a whole new defensive philosophy and a bunch of young talent and it’s a wonder OU won 6 games at all. Most programs that’s a 2 win season. OU is recruiting towards the top of the sec and will be greatly improved this year and next.
Posted on 7/9/23 at 10:53 pm to Boomer00
Sark is going to absolutely prison shank BV this year.
Posted on 7/9/23 at 11:08 pm to Boomer00
This is a great post. I have no clue how it explains OU being a better job than UGA
Posted on 7/9/23 at 11:52 pm to MillerLiteTime
Nobody on this thread knows what they hell they're talking about, as per usual. The truth will piss off over half of my own fanbase because they don't want to hear it. And Venables has zero to do with any of it. He's rebuilding what once was. 
This post was edited on 7/10/23 at 12:19 am
Posted on 7/9/23 at 11:56 pm to TigerLunatik
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A blue blood hired a guy that had never been a head coach before.
None of our legendary tree of head coaches had ever previously been a head coach before being hired at OU, dipshit. Not a single one of them.
Posted on 7/9/23 at 11:57 pm to MillerLiteTime
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The Oklahoma program was on auto-pilot for a 10+ win season in an easy Big12. I’m not buying that this is all on Venables.
This guy gets it (= Spurrier culture), and it's just the tip of the iceberg.
This post was edited on 7/9/23 at 11:58 pm
Posted on 7/10/23 at 8:41 am to Roll on Tigers
I mean you’re not wrong. If Georgia is a blue blood than so are we.
Posted on 7/10/23 at 9:22 am to MillerLiteTime
A lot has been said here that is accurate. Venables brought in a completely new defensive scheme and the talent on the roster wasn't able to adapt to the new calls and scheme. That's just part of it. The part nobody wants to talk about is that this team was losing ground in the strength and conditioning department. and it showed. The Strength and Conditioning program at OU had fallen in to shambles under Bennie Wylie. When Jerry Schmidt came back, our offensive and defensive lines were under weight and didn't have the strength needed to win those battles in the trenches. Wylie wanted speed and quickness and forgot to get these kids the size and strength they needed. Look at the TCU and Texas games. Yes, Gabriel was out, but that team got bullied by both TCU and Texas. There were 5 games (including the bowl game) that were lost by one score. IT was a rebuilding year and frankly, there's no excuse for what happened. Things seem better, but until we get to the season we just don't know. With how easy the schedule is this year, OU really needs to get to the CCG to show vast improvement before moving to the SEC.
Posted on 7/10/23 at 9:28 am to CharlotteSooner
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Nobody on this thread knows what they hell they're talking about, as per usual. The truth will piss off over half of my own fanbase because they don't want to hear it. And Venables has zero to do with any of it. He's rebuilding what once was.
Since this post is enigmatic I'll tell you and everybody else the "truth"...
If OU is able to recruit the way OU thinks they will as members of the SEC... they are going to be competitive towards the top of the league.
If they don't get a bump in recruiting the way SEC ranters think... they won't. Then OU won't be able to compete with the top of the league and will probably end up consistently behind at least four and maybe five or six SEC teams most years.
There is a case to be made for both scenarios.
The case that OU will do well hinges on OU's tradition as one of the top programs in the country over the past 70+ years.
The case that OU won't fare as well can be made by the fact that previous teams that joined the SEC have floundered since joining the league for the most part.
As was stated earlier by a ranter. BV, in year two might tip the hand on which direction OU will go in the SEC at least initially.
But rest assured. If things don't go well, the typical OU fan will again blame it on Lincoln Riley and his "soft, permissive, woke culture". The irony is that Lincoln Riley is the winningest coach in OU history percentage was. Better than Stoops, Switzer or Wilkinson. And regardless of how well OU does in the SEC, Lincoln Riley will probably hold that honor in perpetuity because ain't know way an OU coach is going to break it playing an SEC schedule.
Posted on 7/10/23 at 10:22 am to Riggle
Georgia is a great job surrounded by lots of talent no doubt. OU is also great with lots of history.
OU and Georgia jobs are most certainly more prestigious than Arkansas.
OU and Georgia jobs are most certainly more prestigious than Arkansas.
Posted on 7/10/23 at 10:31 am to MillerLiteTime
Venables lost me when he failed to make adjustments at the QB position, in particular the Beville - Booty QB competition. No changes, same result.
Same during the TCU game. TCU kept running the football down OUs throats, but yet the coach went all in with 3 linemen, zero adjustments, and basically threw in the towel.
I hope I’m wrong, but there’s a reason why OU fans wanted Mike Stoops back. This season is make or break for Venables.
Same during the TCU game. TCU kept running the football down OUs throats, but yet the coach went all in with 3 linemen, zero adjustments, and basically threw in the towel.
I hope I’m wrong, but there’s a reason why OU fans wanted Mike Stoops back. This season is make or break for Venables.
This post was edited on 7/10/23 at 10:32 am
Posted on 7/10/23 at 10:40 am to MillerLiteTime
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Was this in any way a situation where Riley knew the team had no real talent outside of Williams and ran like Urban Meyer did Florida?
Many believe that to be the case. It was already pretty clear that Riley's defensive staff consistently did a poor job at talent evaluation and development.
The offense was declining, albeit more slowly, since Stoops' retirement. Riley's reputation as a QB guru landed him just about anyone he wanted at that position, but things were certainly trending downward at other positions.
There hadn't been a dominant offensive line since Riley's first two seasons with former Stoops guys. The S&C coaching change gets a lot of the blame, but talent was diminishing as well.
Riley's disposition changed dramatically as his final season at OU played out, the last few weeks particularly. He looked increasingly stressed out in press conferences....whiney, sweaty...just not himself. He completely lost his shite on the sidelines at least a couple of times at the end of the season. There was some baffling play calling in the last two games. Of course, after he announced he was leaving, it made sense, but it was wild to behold before the fans knew the reason.
So yes, I would guess that he knew the lack of talent and development was about to catch up with him at OU, especially with the upcoming SEC move, so he took the golden ticket USC offered him while his reputation as a top-5 coach was still intact.
Posted on 7/10/23 at 10:42 am to OU_Fan
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I hope I’m wrong, but there’s a reason why OU fans wanted Mike Stoops back.
Now tell us what happened when Mike Stoops came back.
Largely, fans are idiots.
Posted on 7/10/23 at 2:07 pm to PPeterson1
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If Georgia is a blue blood than so are we.
The Blue Blood discussion feels irrelevant when evaluating the modern landscape of college football. Sure, LSU and UGA might not be blue bloods, but they are better jobs than Oklahoma, Notre Dame, and Michigan when evaluating resources and talent IMO.
Posted on 7/10/23 at 2:18 pm to AHM21
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Their head coach was awesome when he was stealing the opposing offenses signals
It is incredibly easy to "steal" offensive signals. What is near impossible is to actually do something with it.
The only thing that is really effective is if you are going against a offense that signals formation first. If you can pick they are going to be 3x1 then that can narrow down what you are likely to see.
Unless a team takes an extrodinary amount of time from play signal to snap, you do not have enough time to effectively decipher, analyze what you are going to do with the info and communicate to the players.
Posted on 7/10/23 at 2:21 pm to Boomer Sooner 1890
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I hope I’m wrong, but there’s a reason why OU fans wanted Mike Stoops back.
Now tell us what happened when Mike Stoops came back.
Largely, fans are idiots.
No way anybody from OU actually wants Mike Stoops back, right?!? That guy is a fantastic DC, for opposing teams.
Posted on 7/10/23 at 2:22 pm to Boomer Sooner 1890
After a couple years of Mike Stoops, we all realized he was no longer the Mike Stoops of the early 2000s and same result.
OU hasn't had a solid defense since 2002, although Gerald McCoy was the X-factor.
OU hasn't had a solid defense since 2002, although Gerald McCoy was the X-factor.
Posted on 7/10/23 at 2:26 pm to OU_Fan
McCoy could make a lot of medicore defenses good.
Posted on 7/10/23 at 2:27 pm to BSherrill
Mike Stoops defenses after Brent left were consistently getting lit up, no change.
The Aggies deserve their props though because after Reggie McNeal went off on the OU defense in 2002, Mike Stoops and Brent Venables were never the same after that game.
The Aggies deserve their props though because after Reggie McNeal went off on the OU defense in 2002, Mike Stoops and Brent Venables were never the same after that game.
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