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re: Ohio State's Ryan Day says Big Ten deserves 4 AQ spots in CFP
Posted on 6/6/25 at 10:21 am to GentleJackJones
Posted on 6/6/25 at 10:21 am to GentleJackJones
quote:No doubt about it. The best SEC team would've finished in third place in the B1G last season.
They’re asking at the right time. The SEC has rules for 20+ years. Right now, I’d say Ohio State and Oregon are better than the SEC
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Posted on 6/6/25 at 10:42 am to Ag Zwin
I don’t get why this is controversial. The B10 and SEC “deserve” virtually all of the spots. The only holdouts playing major college football who haven’t joined one of those two conferences are ND, FSU, Clemson, Miami, maybe UNC and Virginia Tech, and it’s just a matter of time until they join as well. When you consolidate over time the only real contenders between the Pac, SWC, Big 8, SEC, and B10 into two mega conferences, you basically have a new league playing a different game than the rest. I don’t have any problem throwing a couple token auto qualifiers at the rest of CFB just to maintain regional interest in the left out states and create occasional cinderella stories, but the most inequitable thing is to keep blindly pretending we are all competing at the same level.
At the same time, the additional inequity that will have to eventually be addressed, at great pain, is to acknowledge that there are several teams in the B10 and SEC who are sneaking into this new superleague simply because they got lucky and joined the surviving associations 100 years ago. I’d rather invite in a few non-represented, high growth regions like Colorado, Utah, Arizona, North Carolina, and Virginia to be schedule fillers for the super conference than maintaining the status quo of Northwestern, Vandy, Purdue, Mississippi St, etc staying “just because” while adding virtually no value and no justification for being included in a league of elite teams.
At the same time, the additional inequity that will have to eventually be addressed, at great pain, is to acknowledge that there are several teams in the B10 and SEC who are sneaking into this new superleague simply because they got lucky and joined the surviving associations 100 years ago. I’d rather invite in a few non-represented, high growth regions like Colorado, Utah, Arizona, North Carolina, and Virginia to be schedule fillers for the super conference than maintaining the status quo of Northwestern, Vandy, Purdue, Mississippi St, etc staying “just because” while adding virtually no value and no justification for being included in a league of elite teams.
This post was edited on 6/6/25 at 10:54 am
Posted on 6/6/25 at 11:20 am to Ag Zwin
Scoff all we want but the B10 has more teams who’ve won 10 games in the last 3 years as we do (10 being playoff floor in this new era):
Michigan, Ohio St, Penn St, Iowa, Indiana, Oregon, Illinois, Washington & USC.
Vs
Bama, LSU, Georgia, Mizzou, Tennessee, Ole Miss, Texas, OU.
The difference of course is that they have more weak programs, but the true gap between the two conferences is minor.
Michigan, Ohio St, Penn St, Iowa, Indiana, Oregon, Illinois, Washington & USC.
Vs
Bama, LSU, Georgia, Mizzou, Tennessee, Ole Miss, Texas, OU.
The difference of course is that they have more weak programs, but the true gap between the two conferences is minor.
Posted on 6/6/25 at 12:01 pm to BuckI
quote:the are at least 9 SEC teams that would have beat Michigan on their respective SEC home fields - including Vanderbilt -
The best SEC team would've finished in third place in the B1G last season.
Arkon
West Michigan
bye
Marshall
at Michigan St
Iowa
at Oregon
bye
Nebraska
at Penn St
Purdue
at* Northwestern
Indiana
Michigan
4 SEC teams play that schedule to undefeated - 3 more would only have 1 loss at Oregon maybe -
This post was edited on 6/6/25 at 12:03 pm
Posted on 6/6/25 at 12:34 pm to 1801
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the are at least 9 SEC teams that would have beat Michigan on their respective SEC home fields - including Vanderbilt
I get the big ten bashing that goes on here, a lot of it is legitimate criticisms but stuff like this is pretty ridiculous. Michigan wasn't that bad last year, they still had multiple players go in the top 10 of the recent nfl draft. There's no way any team a year removed winning a national championship with first round nfl talent on their roster is in the same ballpark as vanderbilt.
Posted on 6/6/25 at 12:39 pm to BuckeyeGoon
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I get the big ten bashing that goes on here, a lot of it is legitimate criticisms but stuff like this is pretty ridiculous. Michigan wasn't that bad last year, they still had multiple players go in the top 10 of the recent nfl draft. There's no way any team a year removed winning a national championship with first round nfl talent on their roster is in the same ballpark as vanderbilt.
Pretty sure this is the only place on earth that a buckeye would take the time to defend Michigan's honor. Weird ain't it?
Posted on 6/6/25 at 12:40 pm to Ag Zwin
Anyone notice that an Aggie started a Big Ten post?
I'm telling ya... they gone
I'm telling ya... they gone
Posted on 6/6/25 at 12:54 pm to Buckeye06
Your wife said I was an 'improvement'...you POS, no-life, pussy. And uh...go away.
Posted on 6/6/25 at 1:08 pm to bamameister
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Pretty sure this is the only place on earth that a buckeye would take the time to defend Michigan's honor. Weird ain't it?
Never from this Buckeye but to each his own, right?
Posted on 6/6/25 at 1:33 pm to 1801
quote:And none of them would be South Carolina.
the are at least 9 SEC teams that would have beat Michigan on their respective SEC home fields - including Vanderbilt
quote:The SEC was 1-5 vs the B1G in the postseason.
4 SEC teams play that schedule to undefeated - 3 more would only have 1 loss at Oregon maybe
Posted on 6/6/25 at 1:51 pm to BuckI
quote:Carolina beats Michigan last year at Williams-Brice probably by a score of say - I dunno - 13-10
And none of them would be South Carolina.
nothing too head popping like in years past though -
quote:bowl games stopped being a valid point of reference of actual team strength when the BCS was abandoned and opt outs by players became a virus -
The SEC was 1-5 vs the B1G in the postseason.
the SEC went 3-1 vs the big2t9en during the 2024 regular season -
This post was edited on 6/6/25 at 2:00 pm
Posted on 6/6/25 at 2:00 pm to 1801
Illinois beat that arse. Sit this one out.
Posted on 6/6/25 at 2:02 pm to BuckI
quote:
Sit this one out.
quote:
BuckI
Posted on 6/6/25 at 2:04 pm to 1801
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bowl games stopped being a valid point of reference of actual team strength when the BCS was abandoned and opt outs by players became a virus -
But OSU beating both Texas and Tennessee in the playoffs, when players are not opting out, should at least count?
I understand what you are saying re: the non playoff bowls though to an extent (although I would argue Michigan was playing far less people than Bama was in their game)
Posted on 6/6/25 at 2:32 pm to BuckI
Its always the fans of sec also rans like south carolina that cling to the conference vs conference stuff. Like georgia or alabama's accomplishments make their team any better. The sec has a losing record to ohio state in playoff games and is .500 against michigan. If the best sec teams arent exactly dominating ohio state and michigan, why would south carolina fare any better?
Posted on 6/6/25 at 2:34 pm to Ag Zwin
No
More often than not, the Big 10 sucks.
More often than not, the Big 10 sucks.
Posted on 6/6/25 at 2:49 pm to BuckeyeGoon
quote:your fellow brown nut fan was the first to point out the bowl game record last season sliff -
Its always the fans of sec also rans like south carolina that cling to the conference vs conference stuff.
quote:what's Carolina's record vs Ohio Suck all time? what's Carolina's record vs Michigan all-time?
why would south carolina fare any better?
USC doesn't need the SEC banner to beat those two supposed football powers apparently
Posted on 6/6/25 at 2:52 pm to Buckeye06
quote:it's bowl games not included in the 14 team made for TV invitational that no longer are a barometer of strength - players don't care - won't play - we had one play 1H in the Citrus and then inform the coaches he wasn't playing 2H - he was drafted 32nd last April -
But OSU beating both Texas and Tennessee in the playoffs, when players are not opting out, should at least count?
the regular season record - hopefully - is a better measure - outside of injuries or suspensions -
Posted on 6/6/25 at 2:59 pm to 1801
quote:
hopefully - is a better measure
Here's an even easier metric- national championship trophies. How many are in south carolina's trophy case?
Posted on 6/6/25 at 3:05 pm to 1801
quote:But if the SEC had gone 5-1 vs the B1G in bowls, then you would be the first to brag about it.
it's bowl games not included in the 14 team made for TV invitational that no longer are a barometer of strength
14 teams and South Carolina still could not make the cut.
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