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re: #notncaaproperty...what a bunch of pansies
Posted on 3/26/21 at 9:56 am to Adam Banks
Posted on 3/26/21 at 9:56 am to Adam Banks
You have built a strawman and knocked him over, took phrases from my posts and crafted arguments that I never made, and claim victory as though this whole discussion was some kind of competition, all the while arguing that players who generate billions should be paid in exposure, education, a dorm room, and meals?
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Posted on 3/26/21 at 9:57 am to TeddyWestside
They should consider paying for their education and room and board.
Posted on 3/26/21 at 9:58 am to pvilleguru
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That's not at all what he's saying.
This is what Adam does. We came to talk about player compensation, Adam came to get his big win of the day with "GOTCHA" arguments straight from cable news. He is not worth talking to anymore.
Posted on 3/26/21 at 9:59 am to rockiee
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Because they can go straight from HS and it doesn't generate the kind of revenue that basketball and football produce?
You hit it. Now reverse it.
If there was no "straight from HS" option you'd have the same farce in baseball.
Give the professional athletes what they want--the ability to go straight to the pros or farm leagues. Enough of the colleges being farm leagues for the NBA and NFL.
Revenue and interest for those sports would not drop one bit. They're already "less good" than the NFL. And we still care. Most of the players don't go pro anyway.
Posted on 3/26/21 at 9:59 am to pvilleguru
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That's not at all what he's saying.
Can they work or can they not work?
The scholarship has stipulations. One of those is a retention of amateur status. A non compete if you will.
These well rounded young gentleman and ladies are free to be compensated in other arenas and the programs and their donors will be very willing to help them find work.
Posted on 3/26/21 at 10:00 am to TimeOutdoors
quote:The money they make for the school and the NCAA by playing a sport literally pays for it tenfold.
They should consider paying for their education and room and board.
Posted on 3/26/21 at 10:01 am to Adam Banks
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The scholarship has stipulations
Yet it's the only type of scholarship with these stipulations.
Posted on 3/26/21 at 10:05 am to TeddyWestside
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all the while arguing that players who generate billions s
The delivery guys at amazon generate billions.
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should be paid in exposure, education, a dorm room, and meals?
and healthcare and contacts and so on and so forth. If they dont like the deal there are other options....if their skill warrants it. Otherwise its market value.
You dont see education as an investment. Clearly thats why you arent able to comprehend the benefits of college and see these athletes as uncompensated.
Take skylar Mays for instance. Without the NBA he still has a career of making 300k or more lined up because he took advantage of that education.
Countless other athletes have been chosen for jobs in insurance real estate etc because of their college playing days without ever stepping foot on the field in the pros.
Hell name image and likeness-for LSU fans do you think T bob Hebert and Jacob Hester would have risen on sports talk radio without their inherent fan base from their playing days?
This post was edited on 3/26/21 at 10:06 am
Posted on 3/26/21 at 10:07 am to pvilleguru
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Yet it's the only type of scholarship with these stipulations.
Its also the only scholarship with anywhere close to the perks that they get.
They can choose another scholarship if they would like.
Posted on 3/26/21 at 10:09 am to Adam Banks
quote:What kind of 6th grade debate team shite is this? You cannot be this dense.
The delivery guys at amazon generate billions.
Posted on 3/26/21 at 10:11 am to pvilleguru
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Yet the NCAA loves to run commercials about how many of their athletes don't make it in professional sports.
How many would make it if they weren’t on tv?
Posted on 3/26/21 at 10:12 am to Adam Banks
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Its also the only scholarship with anywhere close to the perks that they get
Yet they have to put in the most hours and physical labor. Without those "perks", they are more likely to have long-term injuries, while their "teachers" are making millions.
Posted on 3/26/21 at 10:14 am to Pvt Hudson
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How many would make it if they weren’t on tv?
Probably the same amount. Ae you under the impression that pro sports would stop having a draft and signing new players?
Posted on 3/26/21 at 10:14 am to Adam Banks
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You dont see education as an investment. Clearly thats why you arent able to comprehend the benefits of college and see these athletes as uncompensated.
Take skylar Mays for instance. Without the NBA he still has a career of making 300k or more lined up because he took advantage of that education.
Education is clearly an investment, I never said that it wasn't an extremely valuable and possibly lucrative one.
What you don't seem to understand is that the money that top basketball players and football players make for their school is far and away higher than the monetary value of their scholarships. Not all players, not the backup shooting guard or reserve offensive tackle, but for guys with legitimate pro prospects, who drive interest in the money making behemoths of the NCAA Tournament and the College Football Playoffs, who sell out arenas and stadiums every weekend, who drive ESPN and the SEC's astronomical TV deal, the actual out of pocket pay for them is minimal.
This post was edited on 3/26/21 at 10:17 am
Posted on 3/26/21 at 10:15 am to au4you
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What kind of 6th grade debate team shite is this? You cannot be this dense.
People still watched March Madness without Lebron. People still watched it without Kobe.
I think you are overestimating both the average players market for their skills, as well how ultimately what drives the revenue. Certainly players contribute to that but most of it is generated because of peoples fandom in their schools. Im going to watch LSU in the tournament regardless of who is point guard.
Its why fans of college teams dont switch up their gear when the five star signs somewhere else like fans do in the NBA.
Posted on 3/26/21 at 10:17 am to pvilleguru
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while their "teachers" are making millions.
Their "teachers" being paid millions may be there a decade.
The players who have a market for their skills outside of the NCAA out of high school are only going to be there a year.
Posted on 3/26/21 at 10:22 am to TeddyWestside
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players who generate billions
Players didn't generate billions for Bama. What does the Bama football program gross annually normally? 140 million? What about last year? Did programs lose money? Will we make those players pay money back if a program is losing money? What about a program that doesn't bring in 140 million, what if the program only brings in 5 million?
What do you think Bama does with its football revenue? Does every sport make money or is some losing money? Do we pay those players too?
Think there is a monopoly now on football, wait until the big boys get to pay players.
Posted on 3/26/21 at 10:22 am to LSUCOCK
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“We crafted the term student-athlete,” Walter Byers himself wrote, “and soon it was embedded in all NCAA rules and interpretations.” The term came into play in the 1950s, when the widow of Ray Dennison, who had died from a head injury received while playing football in Colorado for the Fort Lewis A&M Aggies, filed for workmen’s-compensation death benefits. Did his football scholarship make the fatal collision a “work-related” accident? Was he a school employee, like his peers who worked part-time as teaching assistants and bookstore cashiers? Or was he a fluke victim of extracurricular pursuits? Given the hundreds of incapacitating injuries to college athletes each year, the answers to these questions had enormous consequences.
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Posted on 3/26/21 at 10:24 am to TeddyWestside
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What you don't seem to understand is that the money that top basketball players and football players make for their school is far and away higher than the monetary value of their scholarships.
No I do understand it. You are describing every non self employed person. If you get paid exactly what you generate then the proprietor of your place of business will never make any money.
What I also understand is that the players in basketball have plenty of other options if they feel they absolutely must be paid cash to play. Others have done it.
The vast majority have chosen to take the traditional route because its beneficial to them and the negatives of other avenues outweigh the benefits.
In football the NFL is the one who has decided that a player needs 3 years out of high school to physically mature prior to entering the NFL. Probably a true statement. That doesnt mean that the NCAA should be forced to start paying players or that the players going to the NCAA are getting a raw deal. Direct your vitriol to the NFL
Also whats funny is Zion didnt complain. Cade cunningham didnt complain. Mobley isnt the one complaining. Heres a hint. They are getting paid too in addition to their scholarship.
Its always the guys who dont have the skills to go elsewhere complaining. The problem is no one has the guts to tell them that "if no one else is offering you a better compensation then thats your market value"
This post was edited on 3/26/21 at 10:27 am
Posted on 3/26/21 at 10:31 am to Adam Banks
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Hell name image and likeness-for LSU fans do you think T bob Hebert and Jacob Hester would have risen on sports talk radio without their inherent fan base from their playing days?
Speaking of old white dudes that played for LSU, I am disappoint that Jamie Howard and Richard Condon do not have a radio show together.
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