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Not a conspiracy theory or about the game outcome, but this is laughable from the SEC...
Posted on 12/6/23 at 6:22 am
Posted on 12/6/23 at 6:22 am
“Asked this week why the fourth-and-4 play was not reviewed, the SEC insisted that it actually was.
“The play was reviewed,” an SEC spokesman told The Atlanta Journal-Constitution, responding to an email requesting an explanation. “Every play is reviewed in the Video Center, but some are stopped for further review. The play you referenced was reviewed, and it was determined there was not enough evidence to overturn the call and not necessary to stop the play for further review.”
So they reviewed that one and didn't see any reason to stop play on the field for a better look on a play that would cause a possession change. But then in the second half, needed a lot of time to look at Arian Smith's obvious catch on a first and ten play.
We need better officiating. Do we need to pay them more? Do they need more training? Don't know. There are always gonna be missed calls, but you rarely see the NFL refs screw up in the biggest games.
I'm sure you all have your own stories of getting screwed. Again, not saying there is bias on their part. But there is certainly inept officiating. The one thing that should be fixed is the replay booth. I saw a game a few years ago where a Gator had his right foot out of bounds for three steps and they kept letting him run and never reviewed it (Wasn't a Georgia game).
Of course last year in the UGA UT game they reviewed and said UT's OL got the ball out of the EZ when his knee was down with the ball clearly in the EZ completely before he reached it over the line. And the whole ball has to be out of the EZ in that situation. We can do better.
“The play was reviewed,” an SEC spokesman told The Atlanta Journal-Constitution, responding to an email requesting an explanation. “Every play is reviewed in the Video Center, but some are stopped for further review. The play you referenced was reviewed, and it was determined there was not enough evidence to overturn the call and not necessary to stop the play for further review.”
So they reviewed that one and didn't see any reason to stop play on the field for a better look on a play that would cause a possession change. But then in the second half, needed a lot of time to look at Arian Smith's obvious catch on a first and ten play.
We need better officiating. Do we need to pay them more? Do they need more training? Don't know. There are always gonna be missed calls, but you rarely see the NFL refs screw up in the biggest games.
I'm sure you all have your own stories of getting screwed. Again, not saying there is bias on their part. But there is certainly inept officiating. The one thing that should be fixed is the replay booth. I saw a game a few years ago where a Gator had his right foot out of bounds for three steps and they kept letting him run and never reviewed it (Wasn't a Georgia game).
Of course last year in the UGA UT game they reviewed and said UT's OL got the ball out of the EZ when his knee was down with the ball clearly in the EZ completely before he reached it over the line. And the whole ball has to be out of the EZ in that situation. We can do better.
This post was edited on 12/6/23 at 6:28 am
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Posted on 12/6/23 at 6:24 am to koreandawg
Yeh that is an arse covering if I have ever seen one. It may or may not have been overturned but the replay booth missed it
This post was edited on 12/6/23 at 6:26 am
Posted on 12/6/23 at 6:27 am to koreandawg
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So they reviewed that one and didn't see any reason to stop play on the field for a better look on a play that would cause a possession change. But then in the second half, needed a lot of time to look at Arian Smith's obvious catch on a first and ten play.
There was a couple of reviews that slowed UGA momentum if I recall. It goes both ways though, the truth is that CFB Officiating is horrendous across the board. It is a multi billion dollar industry and the 2 biggest factors in it, the players and the referees, are barely paid a stipend. It is almost as bad as pro-wrestling...not in being scripted but in the production values....they are incredibly cheesy.
Posted on 12/6/23 at 6:29 am to AwgustaDawg
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There was a couple of reviews that slowed UGA momentum if I recall. It goes both ways though, the truth is that CFB Officiating is horrendous across the board. It is a multi billion dollar industry and the 2 biggest factors in it, the players and the referees, are barely paid a stipend. It is almost as bad as pro-wrestling...not in being scripted but in the production values....they are incredibly cheesy.
I've read the median pay for an official at the FBS level is 57,000 with some making 200,000 plus. They have to go through some training, but most of them still have regular jobs and pretty good ones too, (lawyers, accountants, etc.)
This post was edited on 12/6/23 at 6:30 am
Posted on 12/6/23 at 6:35 am to koreandawg
Another ref thread by a UGA fan?
Y’all got outplayed, let it go
Y’all got outplayed, let it go
Posted on 12/6/23 at 6:35 am to koreandawg
Blaming that call is dumb, but they sure took time to slow down UGA reviewing Bowers obvious catch. Just be consistently bad for both teams
This post was edited on 12/6/23 at 6:39 am
Posted on 12/6/23 at 6:37 am to olddawg26
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Blaming that call is dumb
I'm not blaming the call. I'm saying it makes no sense to say they didn't see any reason to look at that one more closely, but the Arian's needed a closer look.
Truth: They didn't get a good look at the first one. And they don't want to say that because the question is then why didn't you stop the game?
Posted on 12/6/23 at 6:38 am to koreandawg
Agree; officiating needs to improve.
Posted on 12/6/23 at 6:39 am to HighTide_ATL
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Another ref thread by a UGA fan?
Y’all got outplayed, let it go
This is about terrible officiating. And you and yours have complained about it ad nauseum when you feel it goes against you.
I didn't say it would've changed the outcome. No one knows.
Think you've got a game to play that means something. Go to your board and talk it up.
Posted on 12/6/23 at 6:42 am to koreandawg
The true answer is cfb should have a review system that follows the NFL.
Reviews of non scoring plays or change of possession outside of 2 minutes left in the game are up to the head coach who has two challenges per game (a third if they the first two correct).
The fact the initiation of review is up to the officiating alone is a source of contention. If it were up to Kirby Smart and his staff to quickly decide if it is worth reviewing, nobody would be upset about the missed opportunity for a review. Furthermore, it isn’t clear cut it was not a catch. Smart may have lost the challenge.
College football needs to eliminate the unlimited booth initiated challenge and ejections for targeting. Get rid of as many challenges as possible. Only do booth initiated challenges on scoring plays or change of possession outside of 2 minutes left in the game. Give coaches two challenge flags and penalize them a timeout if they’re wrong. Turn challenging plays into part of coaching strategy — determining when is the maximum value to risk the challenge — and people will stop bitching out it. If you want to challenge a first half 4th and 4 call that only puts the offense near the red zone, go nuts but understand you might not have that flag to throw on a substantial call later in the game.
You don’t see near as much officiating whining in the NFL for two reasons: the refs are actually professsional so they are materially better than college; the NFL makes no attempt or claim to their officiating needing to be perfect. NCAA has set this review system up to condition people to think everything must be “perfect” and that’s simply the wrong way to go. Make the human imperfectability a part of a team’s strategy.
Reviews of non scoring plays or change of possession outside of 2 minutes left in the game are up to the head coach who has two challenges per game (a third if they the first two correct).
The fact the initiation of review is up to the officiating alone is a source of contention. If it were up to Kirby Smart and his staff to quickly decide if it is worth reviewing, nobody would be upset about the missed opportunity for a review. Furthermore, it isn’t clear cut it was not a catch. Smart may have lost the challenge.
College football needs to eliminate the unlimited booth initiated challenge and ejections for targeting. Get rid of as many challenges as possible. Only do booth initiated challenges on scoring plays or change of possession outside of 2 minutes left in the game. Give coaches two challenge flags and penalize them a timeout if they’re wrong. Turn challenging plays into part of coaching strategy — determining when is the maximum value to risk the challenge — and people will stop bitching out it. If you want to challenge a first half 4th and 4 call that only puts the offense near the red zone, go nuts but understand you might not have that flag to throw on a substantial call later in the game.
You don’t see near as much officiating whining in the NFL for two reasons: the refs are actually professsional so they are materially better than college; the NFL makes no attempt or claim to their officiating needing to be perfect. NCAA has set this review system up to condition people to think everything must be “perfect” and that’s simply the wrong way to go. Make the human imperfectability a part of a team’s strategy.
This post was edited on 12/6/23 at 6:46 am
Posted on 12/6/23 at 6:45 am to HighTide_ATL
Nobody is blaming the loss on this so head on over to another thread
Posted on 12/6/23 at 6:54 am to armtackledawg
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replay booth missed it
You think it was “missed”?
Posted on 12/6/23 at 6:55 am to Diego Ricardo
Agree on NFL style replay. It would probably shave 10-15 minutes off the average game by cutting out a couple of reviews and the commercial breaks that go with many of them. Just don't bring in NFL catch rules with it, because that's ultimately determined by a coin flip and nothing can convince me otherwise.
Posted on 12/6/23 at 6:57 am to Double Down
I know that they missed that there was a possible issue. See the Arian Smith review later in the game for proof. It was nowhere near as close of a call
Posted on 12/6/23 at 6:57 am to koreandawg
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Asked this week why the fourth-and-4 play was not reviewed, the SEC insisted that it actually was.
It’s the same thing they told LSU after Dirty Dallas targeted Daniels even though there was no stoppage for a review.
Posted on 12/6/23 at 7:06 am to koreandawg
God at least let the review folks be pros.
Saying they reviewed and immediately determined not enough to overturn, makes it worse, especially given the ones they did stop for.
Saying they reviewed and immediately determined not enough to overturn, makes it worse, especially given the ones they did stop for.
Posted on 12/6/23 at 7:07 am to koreandawg
There are 2 failure points associated with that play.
1 - Yes, college officiating sucks. It shouldn’t be that bad but it is. There’s a huge gap between NFL officials and college and no reason I can see for top tier conferences not to get at least a reasonably close facsimile.
2 - Georgia’s coaches. They can call a time out. If they think it’s an issue and Bama is trying to quickly get a play off, as every single team in the game would be doing they have the ability to slow it down.
1 - Yes, college officiating sucks. It shouldn’t be that bad but it is. There’s a huge gap between NFL officials and college and no reason I can see for top tier conferences not to get at least a reasonably close facsimile.
2 - Georgia’s coaches. They can call a time out. If they think it’s an issue and Bama is trying to quickly get a play off, as every single team in the game would be doing they have the ability to slow it down.
Posted on 12/6/23 at 7:08 am to armtackledawg
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It may or may not have been overturned but the replay booth missed it
Make no mistake, it wasn’t “missed”
Posted on 12/6/23 at 7:08 am to Diego Ricardo
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The true answer is cfb should have a review system that follows the NFL.
Reviews of non scoring plays or change of possession outside of 2 minutes left in the game are up to the head coach who has two challenges per game (a third if they the first two correct).
The fact the initiation of review is up to the officiating alone is a source of contention. If it were up to Kirby Smart and his staff to quickly decide if it is worth reviewing, nobody would be upset about the missed opportunity for a review. Furthermore, it isn’t clear cut it was not a catch. Smart may have lost the challenge.
College football needs to eliminate the unlimited booth initiated challenge and ejections for targeting. Get rid of as many challenges as possible. Only do booth initiated challenges on scoring plays or change of possession outside of 2 minutes left in the game. Give coaches two challenge flags and penalize them a timeout if they’re wrong. Turn challenging plays into part of coaching strategy — determining when is the maximum value to risk the challenge — and people will stop bitching out it. If you want to challenge a first half 4th and 4 call that only puts the offense near the red zone, go nuts but understand you might not have that flag to throw on a substantial call later in the game.
You don’t see near as much officiating whining in the NFL for two reasons: the refs are actually professsional so they are materially better than college; the NFL makes no attempt or claim to their officiating needing to be perfect. NCAA has set this review system up to condition people to think everything must be “perfect” and that’s simply the wrong way to go. Make the human imperfectability a part of a team’s strategy.
I agree. That's the other thing is that coaches are probably always questioning whether to challenge it since the head office is telling them that they already looked at it and didn't stop it anyway.
Posted on 12/6/23 at 7:10 am to llfshoals
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2 - Georgia’s coaches. They can call a time out. If they think it’s an issue and Bama is trying to quickly get a play off, as every single team in the game would be doing they have the ability to slow it down.
The coaches are assuming they looked at it and didn't see anything. Otherwise, the officials themselves would've stopped it.
Understand, unlike the NFL, when coaches challenge plays in college, they are challenging plays that supposedly have already been video reviewed by officials.
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