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Posted on 8/16/23 at 9:23 am to DawginSC
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That's actually the intent of NIL. To allow guys who make a name for themselves in college to profit. It was never meant to allow schools to buy recruits, that's the unintended consequence.
Yea man, I'm sure the school who has been top 2 in recruiting since Kirby has been there doesn't buy any players.
Posted on 8/16/23 at 9:24 am to Broz1839
College just needs to go semi-pro with a salary cap. Why prolong this shitshow.
Posted on 8/16/23 at 9:34 am to TiggerWoods
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Yea man, I'm sure the school who has been top 2 in recruiting since Kirby has been there doesn't buy any players.
Again, there has never been a story of UGA boosters giving a recruit a million dollar NIL deal like many other schools have.
Now don't get me wrong, UGA NIL deals get disbursed to all their players. We had 95 players with NIL money last year (yes... walk-ons too). We basically use NIL to give scholarships to walk-ons now that don't count against our scholarship numbers.
But UGA's top NIL earners have always been those with proven college production, not HS recruits. Yes, the HS recruits do get some NIL money when they get to UGA, but they aren't getting six figures. The players that get into the starting lineup get bigger checks.
I think that's the smart way for any team to run things to be honest. I can't imagine a locker room where some true freshman gets 2 million dollars a year where the starter at his position is getting 50 grand being a good thing for a locker room. And in the end, it seems likely that players will do a lot of collecting of a signing day paycheck then moving to the team they play for permanently (Like Ewers did). And I don't think that helps anyone.
Posted on 8/16/23 at 9:40 am to DawginSC
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Regardless of how NIL is being used, the INTENT was for it to allow businesses to pay players to use their name image and likeness in advertising. A business actually doing that wouldn't care that much of Caleb Williams were at Oklahoma or USC... his NIL has value to them because he's Caleb Williams.
You are thinking about this in terms of NATIONAL brands. Many (maybe most) NIL deals are being funded by local and regional businesses. If Luther Burden chose Georgia over Missouri his endorsement of a say, St. Louis grocery chain would be a NEGATIVE for that chain as boosters would be chapped he spurned his home state.
Posted on 8/16/23 at 9:47 am to Smokeyone
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Calm your tits, you outbid folks on 1 guy and are still behind Vandy in recruiting.
Yeah because we don't have like 20 3 stars in our class falsely propping our ranking.
No worries we're going to get Wingo too and have another 5 star.
Posted on 8/16/23 at 9:59 am to Broz1839
Until player choice is taken out and a draft is installed, buying of players will continue.
Posted on 8/16/23 at 10:14 am to DawginSC
quote:How many corporate/national businesses fund UGA's NIL collective?
Regardless of how NIL is being used, the INTENT was for it to allow businesses to pay players to use their name image and likeness in advertising. A business actually doing that wouldn't care that much of Caleb Williams were at Oklahoma or USC... his NIL has value to them because he's Caleb Williams.
Sure, corporations who choose to pay individuals for their NIL may not care where the athlete plays ball. But NIL collectives are funded by a school's booster/donors and they pay into the collective to help their school of choice.
Posted on 8/16/23 at 10:28 am to JBlutarsky
Either way, you’re in the conversation with Vandy…
Posted on 8/16/23 at 10:46 am to JBlutarsky
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Look at average # of stars not the total score and get back to us dip shite.
Also, I believe I read on here where the kid was a Tennessee lock.
How'd that work out for you?
I was just gonna pull a St. Louie drive by and keep on going... Then, this... all of this...
Good God dude, you stupid or something? Proud for Drink, glad you got your 5 star....
But since you are starwatching and chit...
247 has you at... (Drumroll please) # 55 with a composite of .... (Slow Clap) 88.29.
Which has you BEHIND Miss State, Arkansas, USC east, Auburn, Tenner, TAMU, LSU, Bama, Georgia in both areas....
In just ranking period... you are ... (Eyeroll Begins) EVERYONE IN THE SEC!
So, you are on here tooting your horn about this? You and McMillan? Unbelievable...
Posted on 8/16/23 at 11:00 am to MIzzouMark
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Yeah because we don't have like 20 3 stars in our class falsely propping our ranking.
No worries we're going to get Wingo too and have another 5 star.
Have you used the class calculator on 247.... Yeah, Don't... you are still behind more than above... Lots more. Dude!
Posted on 8/16/23 at 11:02 am to RT1941
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ow many corporate/national businesses fund UGA's NIL collective?
Sure, corporations who choose to pay individuals for their NIL may not care where the athlete plays ball. But NIL collectives are funded by a school's booster/donors and they pay into the collective to help their school of choice.
UGA's NIL collectives aren't a big draw for us in recruiting. Their focus is on getting money for players on the team as opposed to getting players to join the team.
I don't think any player who's signed with UGA in the past few years since NIL became a thing had more money on the table from UGA than other options.
Most who do make bigger money at UGA get it from national businesses. Stetson Bennett had a big deal from the national dairy alliance. Brock Bowers has a big Zaxby's deal. Jalen Carter had a Quaker State deal.
Bowers and Bennett were the only players with more than a million in NIL money for UGA last season. Our #10 highest NIL guy was Tate Ratledge at 275K (and he had a national deal with Barstool sports because of his mullet).
UGA simply doesn't offer six figure NIL deals to recruits. Nearly every UGA player (recruit and walk on) is making over 40 grand a year, but the money above that is largely going to players who have performed at the college level when it comes to UGA NIL. Not to recruits.
But all that aside, the actual rules of NIL say that NO NIL payment can be dependent upon attending a particular school. While you're correct in that it's not working out that way in reality, the point is there was NEVER an intent to have NIL allow schools to buy recruits. But the current rules allow the contracts to be written in a way where a player has to attend a particular college.
Fixing that mistake should be a first step when dealing with the NIL. You can still pay a recruit if you own a company and think that recruit will be big. But you can't make that payment conditional upon attending UGA or LSU or Tennessee.
This post was edited on 8/16/23 at 11:05 am
Posted on 8/16/23 at 11:39 am to CelticTiger
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You are thinking about this in terms of NATIONAL brands.
We also have that covered too. Mizzou could go hog wild if they could.
Posted on 8/16/23 at 11:42 am to WoodyOrnamental
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Either way, you’re in the conversation with Vandy…
I don't recall Vandy nor Mizzou losing to Appalachian State with a war chest the size of your big br...UT's.
Posted on 8/16/23 at 11:49 am to DawginSC
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Regardless of how NIL is being used, the INTENT was for it to allow businesses to pay players to use their name image and likeness in advertising. A business actually doing that wouldn't care that much of Caleb Williams were at Oklahoma or USC... his NIL has value to them because he's Caleb Williams.
That’s just not true for the overwhelming majority of NIL deals. The local chicken finger chain or tire store absolutely cares what school the player attends if they are paying them NIL money - even if the owner of those businesses are fans and want to induce the player to attend their school (which is against the rules on its face).
It’s a bit silly to act like outliers like C. Williams are what NIL is all about. Most of these players (including other sports beyond football) are lucky to get a deal with local businesses.
If NIL is to be reined in, it’s the cooperatives that have to be regulated in some way, as they are just recruiting inducement providers. Easier said than done though.
Posted on 8/16/23 at 11:56 am to McMillan
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I don't recall Vandy nor Mizzou losing to Appalachian State with a war chest the size of your big br...UT's.
So now we backtrack, change the perimeters of the thread, save face?
This thread was/is about Nil and recruiting rankings from the get go. Not about you beating another team on the field... Or not losing to so and so...
Even with 2 five stars... You still are behind, but not a little amount btw!
Posted on 8/16/23 at 11:56 am to DawginSC
UGA and Alabama fans absolutely insisting that their NIL structure is different is hilarious.
It’s legal to pay players guys, the moral high ground is gone. Regardless, UGA, Alabama, and every other school who wants to compete has been paying players for a century now. This “we do it the right way” act is unnecessary.
It’s legal to pay players guys, the moral high ground is gone. Regardless, UGA, Alabama, and every other school who wants to compete has been paying players for a century now. This “we do it the right way” act is unnecessary.
Posted on 8/16/23 at 12:08 pm to Razorback Reverend
I must've missed the recruiting period ending in August.
Anyway, again enjoy getting your arse beat by Mizzou.
Anyway, again enjoy getting your arse beat by Mizzou.
Posted on 8/16/23 at 12:08 pm to TouchdownTony
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No we are handing certain schools advantages.
ALL, ALL NIL laws should be uniformed. Not whatever a state thinks it should be. You want NIL, fine but not in its current form.
That's hilarious, for decades the rules under the NCAA were enforced at some schools and not at all to others.
Posted on 8/16/23 at 12:13 pm to Broz1839
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were leveling the playing field...the best part about Missouri is not only do we talent in the state we have elite talent..and now most will be going to Mizzou ..
Now that the NCAA can’t stop laws like this the , expect the rest of the states to do the same. Mizzou does not have as much money as UT, UGA, Bama, Texas, Oklahoma, and LSU among others. Once other states sign these same laws you won’t keep your same kids in state any more.
I think it’s going to be funny when a player starts getting paid early and jsut doing it while he’s in school, and then flips on signing day to another school and can start getting laid by that school now high school over. What will you say then when that happens?
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