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re: Nick Saban vs. Bear Bryant - Who is Better?
Posted on 1/5/16 at 12:16 pm to LSU_Tigahs66
Posted on 1/5/16 at 12:16 pm to LSU_Tigahs66
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Would Bear Bryant currently experience the same level of success that Saban has had (or more) at Alabama, when considering how challenging the game of college football has become for head coaches in the modern era?
This is such a tired and nonsensical meme. Not just for comparison of Bryant and Saban but, for anything.
How exactly is the game any more challenging today than it was 75-100 years ago, etc...?
I understand that the players, of those times, were slower, weaker, dumber, uglier, and much more feminine. But, all the players on all the teams were slower, smaller, weaker, dumber, uglier, and more feminine.
So, if you have two teams full of equally matched dummies who are ugly, feminine, slow, weak and little, isn't that just as difficult a game as one played between modern, highly intelligent, handsome, stronger, bigger and faster players?
Weren't all the rules the same for all teams in the past just as they are the same for all teams in the present?
Is it super easy for a Chihuahua to fight another Chihuahua but really hard and difficult for a Pit Bull to fight another Pit Bull? Seems like it would be just as tough for the Chihuahuas fighting their own kind as it would be for a Pit Bull to fight its own kind.
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Posted on 1/5/16 at 12:21 pm to A Lite
Bryant would do great today. He never really created the different systems he ran, but he was great at taking someone's idea, improving it, and perfecting it.
Posted on 1/5/16 at 12:21 pm to LSU_Tigahs66
saban
Posted on 1/5/16 at 12:26 pm to Vols&Shaft83
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Saban didn't have Robert Neyland to "Teach him everything he knows" like Bear did.
no, he had Bill Belichick
Posted on 1/5/16 at 12:29 pm to LSU_Tigahs66
"Who IS Better"...
If they were to face off today, a Saban coached team would beat a Bryant coached team by 2 tds...
...but, how much coaching would you expect from a cadaver that has been in the ground for 33 years?
If they were to face off today, a Saban coached team would beat a Bryant coached team by 2 tds...
...but, how much coaching would you expect from a cadaver that has been in the ground for 33 years?
Posted on 1/5/16 at 12:29 pm to LSU_Tigahs66
The Bear vs The Wizard
Posted on 1/5/16 at 12:30 pm to LSU_Tigahs66
Bryant won arguably 6 championships at Alabama and really blew only the defacto NC game for the 1971 season in the Orange Bowl vs. Nebraska.
In 1966, 1973, 1976 and possibly even 1972 (auburn punt Bama punt), Alabama would have qualified for a four team CFP. Based on Bryant's success rate in other championship opportunities, he had a high chance to win 2-3 more NCs if the playoff format had been in place back in his day. His chances of winning more really increase exponentially when you consider, as someone posted above, Bryant always had 200 scholarship players when everyone else had just 100 or so.
In 1966, 1973, 1976 and possibly even 1972 (auburn punt Bama punt), Alabama would have qualified for a four team CFP. Based on Bryant's success rate in other championship opportunities, he had a high chance to win 2-3 more NCs if the playoff format had been in place back in his day. His chances of winning more really increase exponentially when you consider, as someone posted above, Bryant always had 200 scholarship players when everyone else had just 100 or so.
Posted on 1/5/16 at 12:38 pm to pvilleguru
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Bryant would do great today. He never really created the different systems he ran, but he was great at taking someone's idea, improving it, and perfecting it.
Of course he would do great. It's because he understood the game, was a great motivator, passionate, determined, and stalwart.
Posted on 1/5/16 at 12:40 pm to LSU_Tigahs66
Vince Lombardi, and it ain't even close
Posted on 1/5/16 at 12:41 pm to TroyTider
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Bryant always had 200 scholarship players when everyone else had just 100 or so.
That, also, is just another myth created out of bitterness. Other teams that could do what Bryant did, did it.
Ohio State, Michigan, Notre Dame, Southern Cal, Texas, etc... all had the same large and crowded rosters that Bryant did.
It's ridiculous, on it's face, to assume that Alabama and Alabama alone had a bursting roster and no one else was capable or allowed to have the same.
Posted on 1/5/16 at 12:55 pm to madmaxvol
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"Who IS Better"...
If they were to face off today, a Saban coached team would beat a Bryant coached team by 2 tds...
So you are saying that if Bryant and Saban both had the same skill-set, size, and speed in their respective players, Saban would prevail?
How do you come to that conclusion? Bryant had more wins, more conference championships, more NC's, more coach of the year accolades, more everything than Saban, even a better looking wife.
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...but, how much coaching would you expect from a cadaver that has been in the ground for 33 years?
The nasty, disease infested, dusty bones of that creep, Neyland, wouldn't be doing much coaching either.
Posted on 1/5/16 at 12:57 pm to LSUalumnBAMAsidewalk
Bear who?
Saban >*
Saban >*
Posted on 1/5/16 at 12:58 pm to Tiger n Miami AU83
Saban doesn't have a great bowl record either. But he's pretty damn good in a playoff and unbeaten in a championship game.
Who's to say Bryant wouldn't have been the same way?
Who's to say Bryant wouldn't have been the same way?
Posted on 1/5/16 at 1:31 pm to cmayes56
Saban, and its not even close to me. The sophistication and intensity of the modern game is pretty radically different. I believe it's much harder to differentiate your program from the field now versus then
Posted on 1/5/16 at 1:48 pm to droliver
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[quote]Saban, and its not even close to me. The sophistication and intensity of the modern game is pretty radically different.
Would you care to elaborate on that? The sophistication and intensity? Umm, modern players are pretty much coddled and mentally weak man-child bitches compared to those that came before them.
Modern players, while bigger and stronger physically, flop out like little girls and wince in pain when they are hit slightly hard.
Then, 30 seconds later, after all the writhing on the field for attention, they pop up and "run" off the field. Give me a break.
What intensity? Compared to yesteryear, today's players are playing tag football.
The old timers would be laughing their asses off at the ridiculous sight of a modern player running one play and coming out to rest and gasping for air like a goldfish out of water.
This post was edited on 1/5/16 at 1:50 pm
Posted on 1/5/16 at 2:07 pm to A Lite
To follow up on the supposed intensity of today's game versus games of bygone times, read this:
Dying is Intense
Around 20 people died in 1905 alone from football related injuries.
A small blurb from the article:
Dying is Intense
Around 20 people died in 1905 alone from football related injuries.
A small blurb from the article:
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Two Yale defenders bore down on the helpless Burr, one of whom, Jim Quill, punched him in the face, shattering his nose.
The other player, according to John Sayle Watterson's College Football: History, Spectacle, Controversy, citing contemporary newspaper accounts, "delivered a body blow with his feet which knocked Burr 'senseless.'"
That sounds an awful lot like a drop-kick. No foul was called on the play.
Posted on 1/5/16 at 2:25 pm to LSUalumnBAMAsidewalk
everybody dissing on bama/bear/saban ...
god, it's great to be THE KING!
Posted on 1/5/16 at 2:51 pm to HailFreezusOver
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s the biggest alcholic shitty human being? Bear Bryant hands down
Pat Dye would give him a real good run for his money.
Bet it sux to be an ole miss fan doesn't it.
Posted on 1/5/16 at 2:57 pm to LSU_Tigahs66
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Nick Saban vs. Bear Bryant - Who is Better?
Bryant is dead, I'm going with Saban
Posted on 1/5/16 at 2:58 pm to LSU_Tigahs66
Bear did more at other places. Most people think Saban is the reason for the current unprecedented success but it is really Bama that made Saban as successful. Saban had similar talent at LSU and never even had back to back 10 win seasons.
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