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Posted on 2/13/14 at 10:58 am to LSU1NSEC
lol@LSU1NSEC
Posted on 2/13/14 at 10:59 am to Teague
lol@Teague
Posted on 2/13/14 at 11:00 am to RockyMtnTigerWDE
This thread is still going on?
Posted on 2/13/14 at 11:01 am to WDE24
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So driving and flying should be limited to only those things necessary for work because of the increased risk of injury related to all other reasons for transportation?
Of course not, but in sports rules are set in place to protect players. Can hockey players beat each other up for 30 minutes? No the ref usually gives them about 30 seconds. Can boxers hit below the belt or the back of the head? Nope. My point is certain things are necessary and certain things are not...you have to find the balance in any sport. We can debate whether HUNH crosses that line in football, and some people will fall on both sides of that line. That's why we have a governing body to make rules. Let's see what happens.
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We don't have to run 65 instead of 40. Who gets to set the cut off and why? Hell, we don't have to play football. That was my point. Making more football inherently a player safety issue is a dangerous path to head down. Where does it stop and why?
That's a good question...to me the line is drawn when one side of the ball gets to sub when they want and the other guys can't. When one side of the ball gets to get set and the other side doesn't. For me that's the line, for you obviously it isn't. Agree to disagree, but I'm afraid you will be disappointed with where the NCAA will go with this in the next 2-3 years. And just for the record, safety is not the major issue in this debate--I'm just pointing out there is a legitimate argument to be made from that angle. My biggest beef is the current rules favor the offense to a ridiculous degree....I mean look at the crazy targeting rule last year. What a disgrace, defense basically are playing flag football these days. Stupid.
This post was edited on 2/13/14 at 11:05 am
Posted on 2/13/14 at 11:02 am to Dplymkr88
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Pete Roussel ?@coachingsearch 14m
ESPN should broadcast a LIVE debate tonight. Rich Rod, Briles, Malzahn vs. Saban, Sal Sunseri, Bielema. #MassiveRatings
Posted on 2/13/14 at 11:03 am to WDE24
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For the record, Auburn ranked 62nd out of 125 in plays per game last year.
I believe part of the reason for that is how quickly Auburn scored a lot of times. They had several "drives" of three or four plays.
Another thing is that Malzahn doesn't go quick snap exclusively like an Oregon type offense does. He typically only does it when he realizes he's got the defense caught in a bad situation. The timing aspect of it is part of what makes it so effective in my opinion. Defenses can't get in any kind of groove.
Posted on 2/13/14 at 11:08 am to DaBama
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I believe part of the reason for that is how quickly Auburn scored a lot of times. They had several "drives" of three or four plays.
Is that not typical of most of the similar offenses? I mean all off season we heard that's why hunh teams fail on defense.
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He typically only does it when he realizes he's got the defense caught in a bad situation.
He does it after good production plays.
Posted on 2/13/14 at 11:08 am to undecided
Has anyone pointed out how irrelevant this change would be? Auburn had one snap in the title game before 29 seconds.
Posted on 2/13/14 at 11:08 am to tider04
quote:That is fine. But your argument is more football equals more opportunities for injuries. Not a particular action isn't safe. There is nothing, other than saying football itself is dangerous on some level, to justify this rules change form a player safety stand point.
Can hockey players beat each other up for 30 minutes? No the ref usually gives them about 30 seconds. Can boxers hit below the belt or the back of the head? Nope. My point is certain things are necessary and certain things are not...you have to find the balance in any sport.
quote:They can sub whenever they want. The offensive, by the design of the game, gets to control the game play. They snap the ball and decide what to do with it. They have control of the ball.
.to me the line is drawn when one side of the ball gets to sub when they want and the other guys can't.
quote:I am already disappointed they are using the guise of player safety to attempt to change rules that have no real link to player safety at all. The dishonesty and lack of integrity is very disappointing.
I'm afraid you will be disappointed with where the NCAA will go with this in the next 2-3 years.
This post was edited on 2/13/14 at 11:12 am
Posted on 2/13/14 at 11:10 am to DaBama
quote:Oregon ranked 39th and only ran 10 more plays per game than 116th ranked Bama.
doesn't go quick snap exclusively like an Oregon type offense does.
Posted on 2/13/14 at 11:14 am to NYCAuburn
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The HUNH takes away the chess match of football. It's a sucker punch.
Truly the dumbest statement I've seen so far.
That is like me saying speed chess takes the chess match out of chess
Posted on 2/13/14 at 11:15 am to DaBama
quote:Which (IMHO) is what pisses off anal retentive/OCD folks like Coach Saban.
Another thing is that Malzahn doesn't go quick snap exclusively like an Oregon type offense does. He typically only does it when he realizes he's got the defense caught in a bad situation. The timing aspect of it is part of what makes it so effective in my opinion. Defenses can't get in any kind of groove.
Listen, our coach is a grade A jackass - but he's ours and i love the fella. But I can be reasonable and logically look at this thing and see that "player safety" is low on the totem pole for reasons coaches want this HUNH/substitution rule inacted. Saban loves to scheme and plan and place his best personell on the field to defend an offense. When he doesn't have time to put his chess pieces in place to crack the offenses code, he gets pissed and out of sorts.
I say tough titty! He is the highest paid head coach in the country he gets paid to figure this shite out. He gets paid to make the necessary adjustments to his gameplan to result in WINS. And TBH, he's done a damn fine job of doing that on a consistant basis since he's been here. I have confidence in him to continue to alter his game in the future whether this proposed rule gets executed or not.
This post was edited on 2/13/14 at 11:17 am
Posted on 2/13/14 at 11:16 am to NYCAuburn
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Is that not typical of most of the similar offenses? I mean all off season we heard that's why hunh teams fail on defense.
That's true. All I'm saying is that Auburn tends to have more quick scoring drives than teams with more traditional type offenses which can limit the number of plays they run. How that compares with other similar type offenses, I'm not sure.
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He does it after good production plays.
Which typically means that he's caught the defense in a bad situation.
Posted on 2/13/14 at 11:18 am to CapstoneGrad06
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Has anyone pointed out how irrelevant this change would be? Auburn had one snap in the title game before 29 seconds.
You should be a scientist with that type of data
Posted on 2/13/14 at 11:18 am to NYCAuburn
I'm asking. Don't be a dick. Both sides of this are pointless.
Posted on 2/13/14 at 11:19 am to GoCrazyAuburn
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That is like me saying speed chess takes the chess match out of chess
I thought chess was about strategy with the players you have on the board not changing your players out for each move.
Posted on 2/13/14 at 11:22 am to CapstoneGrad06
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I'm asking
No you weren't you were mocking the issue and using a data set from one game to mock the issue. Don't play the victim.
Posted on 2/13/14 at 11:22 am to RT1941
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I say tough titty! He is the highest paid head coach in the country he gets paid to figure this shite out. He gets paid to make the necessary adjustments to his gameplan to result in WINS.
Isn't that what he's doing by pushing for the rule change?
I agree with you. If Saban wants to counter the HUNH, he needs to run it himself.
Posted on 2/13/14 at 11:23 am to DaBama
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True but Auburn still ran tempo at times and let's face it, you guys had possibly the best qb in SEC history taking snaps.
In 2011, Chizik took tempo completely off the table in order to give the defense more time to rest while the offense was on the field. Malzahn was out of his comfort zone and it showed. Of course, Auburn had lost just about everybody from the 2010 team so that obviously played a big part in the drop off in production.
That's only part of the issue in 2011. CHizik let a lot of things go to his head, he was telling gus what he wanted the offense to do in 2011. He told Gus temp, or lack of it, run vs pass focus and got into the game planning side of the offense. He took some plays off the table and Gus wasn't allowed to run them.
It wasn't horrible but it was enough by itself that when coupled with the losses we had on the offensive side of the ball he crippled the offense.
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