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NCAA really has some power
Posted on 9/15/10 at 8:37 am
Posted on 9/15/10 at 8:37 am
So the whole AJ thing was uncovered when the NCAA was looking at AJ's phone records and they saw the call between Hawkins and AJ. Then AJ came clean about everything. I don't know how all that went down, but going through a kids phone records seems a little overboard.
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Posted on 9/15/10 at 8:43 am to ulikadawgs
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but going through phone records seems a little overboard.
How?
Posted on 9/15/10 at 8:43 am to ulikadawgs
He can refuse to give them his phone records, at the same time they can pull his eligibility. The NCAA does not like being lied to.
Posted on 9/15/10 at 8:44 am to DaleDenton
it's a little big brother to me. the ncaa is a sanctioning body and they make up the rules as they go along
Posted on 9/15/10 at 8:47 am to DaleDenton
Because they're not a government entity? Seems to me it'd be like your job just randomly checking your phone records to see what you've been up to. Seems like a violation of privacy to me
ETA: Unless he willingly complied to give his phone records, in which case the kid was nothing but upfront and they should get off his arse about it. Saw i another post, though, that they apparently made the connection between AJ and Hawkins via Hawkins' records
ETA: Unless he willingly complied to give his phone records, in which case the kid was nothing but upfront and they should get off his arse about it. Saw i another post, though, that they apparently made the connection between AJ and Hawkins via Hawkins' records
This post was edited on 9/15/10 at 8:52 am
Posted on 9/15/10 at 8:49 am to ulikadawgs
I agree.
They treat each situation different and it's BS.
They treat each situation different and it's BS.
Posted on 9/15/10 at 8:52 am to tylerdurden24
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checking your phone records to see what you've been up to.
I see nothing wrong with this...
Posted on 9/15/10 at 8:52 am to AUriptide
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They treat each situation different and it's BS.
YES
Posted on 9/15/10 at 8:52 am to tylerdurden24
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Because they're not a government entity?
They could not have subpoenaed them or simply served a warrant on the provider. IF they reviewed the records, it is because they were voluntarily handed over.
And, don't whine that they are so big that AJ would have felt compelled to comply with a request. Yep. That is correct. If you want to play NCAA football, that is part of the deal (the infraction committee being intimidating).
I am getting a little tired of all the "poor little rule breaker is powerless against the big bad enforcer" posts from the fanbases.
You make the bad decision, you risk the tough consequences. Simple as that.
I'll welcome AJ back whenever he is cleared to play. I am not anti-AJ. He just needs to pay the 'stupidity fine' and move on.
Posted on 9/15/10 at 8:55 am to DaleDenton
I think it's wrong by I hate any big brother like activity. But weren't Georgia players already in question for same party the UNC players were at in Florida?
Posted on 9/15/10 at 8:55 am to TigerFanNKaty
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Georgia players
no just Green and there, as far as I know, has been no proof he was even in Fla.
Posted on 9/15/10 at 8:57 am to tylerdurden24
quote:If your company pays for your phone, then it is their right to check it. If you own it, then not without a warrant.
Seems to me it'd be like your job just randomly checking your phone records to see what you've been up to. Seems like a violation of privacy to me
But these kids are governed by the NCAA and that are the rules handed down. Play by the rules and don't do anything illegal, then there won't be any worries.
Posted on 9/15/10 at 8:58 am to ulikadawgs
I was just thinking about this, and I know it's never going to happen but bare with me. What would happen if a school just didn't GAS what the NCAA said? Taking this situation as an example, let's say we just started playing AJ anyway. The NCAA would end up saying "AJ Green is ineligible, he can't play", and then we said WGAF and kept playing him anyway. Then at the end of the year we'd have to "vacate" the games. But I mean...what does someone saying that into a microphone and signing some piece of paper mean? The games were still played. So let's say they took scholarships away or something like that, and we said "F off" and still gave as many scholarships as we wanted. Then the NCAA gave us the death penalty and said we couldn't play football...but we just said "F you" and kept playing anyway? We still played the schedule and practiced and everything.
In this situation, what could the NCAA actually do to stop all that? If a team just said "we're doing what we want and you can't stop us", what could the NCAA REALLY do to stop them?
In this situation, what could the NCAA actually do to stop all that? If a team just said "we're doing what we want and you can't stop us", what could the NCAA REALLY do to stop them?
Posted on 9/15/10 at 8:58 am to adammwilson
Well then it's bullshite.
Posted on 9/15/10 at 8:58 am to ulikadawgs
It's all part of the "My little Fyfedom" Syndrome. Everybody tries to rule everyone else. We need the NCAA for certain but it is getting to be like "Big Brother" notice? 
Posted on 9/15/10 at 8:58 am to BlackHelicopterPilot
edited my post before you posted this. pretty much agree with everything you said, but would like to see the suspension reduced a.) because im biased and b.) because the punishment doesn't fit the crime to me, regardless of the player involved
Posted on 9/15/10 at 9:00 am to BruslyTiger
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If your company pays for your phone, then it is their right to check it.
No way, this makes you a batshit crazy enterprise...
Posted on 9/15/10 at 9:00 am to tylerdurden24
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edited my post before you posted this. pretty much agree with everything you said, but would like to see the suspension reduced a.) because im biased and b.) because the punishment doesn't fit the crime to me, regardless of the player involved
He is getting off easy compared to Dez last year...
Posted on 9/15/10 at 9:01 am to DaleDenton
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He is getting off easy compared to Dez last year...
Dez directly lied to the NCAA A.J. did not.
Posted on 9/15/10 at 9:02 am to adammwilson
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Dez directly lied to the NCAA A.J. did not.
AJ directly profited from his transgressions Dez did not.
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