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re: NCAA Proposes Cecil Newton Law to Close Loophole That AU Slipped Through
Posted on 7/27/11 at 10:53 am to Lg
Posted on 7/27/11 at 10:53 am to Lg
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Never sent them a thing. But you AU fans always want to know why us Bama fans can't give your team credit, is because according to an SEC bylaw we think you played an ineligible player. If that bylaw didn't exist, don't know if there would be as much knashing of teeth.
Going back to my comment on your previous statement on the Bylaw, Bama did the same thing, as well as UGA and I am sure several other schools. They have not enforced the bylaw, I think since the 80's
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Posted on 7/27/11 at 10:56 am to parkjas2001
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What would stop me from going up to Alabama and asking for money on behalf of every recruit they sign, then?
ya gotta give 'em more credit than that man. you have season tickets to auburn, a degree from auburn, your kid goes to auburn and you have auburn stickers on your car the ncaa is probably smart enough to know you're an auburn man. personally, i think the language needs to be broad and the enforcement itself be specific and finely tuned.
Posted on 7/27/11 at 10:57 am to Lg
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But you AU fans always want to know why us Bama fans can't give your team credit, is because according to an SEC bylaw we think you played an ineligible player.
The same could be said about the Alabama National Championship team in 09'. I don't say that the 09' Bama team deserves no credit.
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If that bylaw didn't exist, don't know if there would be as much knashing of teeth.
Don't lie, it's bad form. A lot of Alabama fans would still say shite to Auburn fans.
Posted on 7/27/11 at 10:59 am to Lg
It's one week until fall practice starts. Shift gears.
Posted on 7/27/11 at 10:59 am to Alahunter
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It's one week until fall practice starts. Shift gears.
Posted on 7/27/11 at 11:01 am to parkjas2001
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The new proposal attempts to cover that situation going forward. It applies to family members and other third parties that act like an agent and try to get paid.
They better be damn tight on the language here.
This was inevitable. First, Cecil Newton broke the spirit of the rules since clearly a parent is an agent/represents their child/student athlete unless the student athlete takes legal steps to emancipate themselves. Second, the "other third parties that act like an agent" obviously must be qualified with the student athletes knowledge/permission, otherwise, anyone could pose as an agent of the student athlete.
The truth is Cecil was certainly acting as an agent on Cam's behalf and there is little doubt in my mind that Cam was aware of it. The ruling really changes nothing relative to my perspective of the case since the NCAA could have easily interpreted that the non-solicitation rule had been broken. Since Cecil as Cam's father was clearly an agent of his son, their interpolation that Cam was not aware seems irrelevant.
This post was edited on 7/27/11 at 12:20 pm
Posted on 7/27/11 at 11:01 am to Alahunter
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It's one week until fall practice starts. Shift gears.
Posted on 7/27/11 at 11:03 am to davesdawgs
quote:Like turning the age of majority?
unless the student athlete takes legals steps to emancipate themselves.
Posted on 7/27/11 at 11:05 am to AUnite
Posted on 7/27/11 at 11:06 am to piggidyphish
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That and you call us little brother, or that cow college, or that school down the road. You're more ridiculous than you let on if this is how you justify belittling auburn.
Now i'm not syaing you're alone. We do it all the time to you guys, or at least i do. But I'm also not going to hide behind some farce like "becuase you violated a rarely if ever enforced sec bylaw, i can't give your team credit."
Nothing wrong with just hating auburn. Just because saban might not approve, doesn't mean hating us is bad.
Don't hate Auburn or anybody from Auburn. Some of my closest friends are AU graduates and spent a lot of weekends on the Plain. But I've always heard from those same people that the only way Bama wins is because we cheat. Albert Means, textbooks, etc, etc. Then when it turns, and Bama fans hang their hat on an SEC bylaw that makes it look as if AU played an ineligible player, it's all hate. Funny how hypocritical some people can be.
Posted on 7/27/11 at 11:08 am to Lg
quote:Well, unless you want the by law selectively enforced, it is a poor place for Bama fans or anyone in the SEC to hang their hat.
and Bama fans hang their hat on an SEC bylaw that makes it look as if AU played an ineligible player
As Hunter said, time to shift gears.
Posted on 7/27/11 at 11:08 am to MaroonNation
I agree with you and the timeline matches up very well to support it. According to Rogers money was 1st discussed on Newtons OV to State on 11/27. 2 days later, 11/29, the phone call from the gas station where Rogers calls Bell occurs. Bell contacts Bond who says no and Bond as he should contacts Byrne to let him know of the situation. Cecil gets nervous or butthurt about the situation and begins looking for other options. 2 weeks later,12/11, Newton visits OU. One week later,12/18, he visits Auburn and officially commits on 12/31.
Posted on 7/27/11 at 11:10 am to Lg
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Some of my closest friends are AU graduates and spent a lot of weekends on the Plain. But I've always heard from those same people that the only way Bama wins is because we cheat. Albert Means, textbooks, etc, etc. Then when it turns, and Bama fans hang their hat on an SEC bylaw that makes it look as if AU played an ineligible player, it's all hate. Funny how hypocritical some people can be.
Yes the hipocricy is one way. Get over it. I stand by it. It's a farce if you're tryign the say the reason you don't give auburn credit is becuase of this by law stance you're trying to take.
And there is nothign wrong with a bama fan not wanting to give auburn credit, just don't cling to something that's not there as you reason.
Also not related but needs to be said. Can bama fans please stop suggesting that as punishment for Updyke that he be forced to clean the trees after auburn wins? Sorry just heard that again, and I wonder why in the hell you think we'd want that jackass in our town, i understand not wanting him in yours, but stop suggesting he be sent this way.
This post was edited on 7/27/11 at 11:13 am
Posted on 7/27/11 at 11:12 am to WDE24
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is because according to an SEC bylaw we think you played an ineligible player.
According to the same bylaw, Bama played multiple ineligible players during their NC year. This shite has be rehashed on here ad naseum
As you know, I'm new to this board and wasn't around when all of this was hashed out. Which players were shopped by a parent, guardian or agent on that team? I was unaware.
Posted on 7/27/11 at 11:14 am to Lg
quote:None that I am aware of. The bylaw also refers/applies to any student athlete who receives an extra benefit. The punishment set out in the bylaw is permanent ineligibility in the SEC. I am sure you are aware of all of the players, Bama and otherwise, who were found to have received an extra benefit.
Which players were shopped by a parent, guardian or agent on that team? I was unaware.
This post was edited on 7/27/11 at 11:15 am
Posted on 7/27/11 at 11:17 am to Lg
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Which players were shopped by a parent, guardian or agent on that team? I was unaware.
All of them. I have it from a source.
I jest
But I am serious when i say i don't think you've even read the bylaw you're hiding behind.
Posted on 7/27/11 at 11:17 am to Lg
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I've always heard from those same people that the only way Bama wins is because we cheat.
I underlined what is important in this sentence. Not every Auburn fan or alumni has said this to you, but those same people.
I think this is self explanatory hun.
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Funny how hypocritical some people can be.
Have you looked at the man in the mirror lately? What you just typed was stereotypical and hypocritical.
Posted on 7/27/11 at 11:20 am to Lg
The SEC bylaw in question
If at any time before or after matriculation in a member institution a student-athlete or any member of his/her family receives or agrees to receive, directly or indirectly, any aid or assistance beyond or in addition to that permitted by the Bylaws of this Conference (except such aid or assistance as such student-athlete may receive from those persons on whom the student is naturally or legally dependent for support), such student- athlete shall be ineligible for competition in any intercollegiate sport within the Conference for the remainder of his/her college career.
1st in Newtons case it hasn't been proven that anything was recieved or that there was an agreement for anyone to recieve anything. 2nd if you take this bylaw and enforce it across the board AJ Green, Marcell, Julio and Ingram all couldn't have played last year. They would not have been allowed to repay the benefit and would have simply been SOL.
This post was edited on 7/27/11 at 11:22 am
Posted on 7/27/11 at 11:24 am to AUnite
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I underlined what is important in this sentence. Not every Auburn fan or alumni has said this to you, but those same people.
Well just by looking at this board and according to the report by Clay Travis, which he recieved from I'm sure another AU site, AU fans are saying "Bama's cheating again." Just look at the pictures. Did you happen to stand up and tell your Auburn brethren, leave this fine upstanding University alone? I think not, hun.
Posted on 7/27/11 at 11:28 am to Lg
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another AU site
Don't you think there is a reason why we're here and not at "another AU site." Could it be becuase those people are blinded by orange and blue glasses, and are downright off the reservation? And surely i don't need to suggest that there are very similar alabama sites out there returing the favor.
Do you go to those sites and suggest they be reasonable? I would venture to say that you doing so would be a lost cause...much like your attempts at justification in this thread.
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