Started By
Message
re: NCAA IS re-opening LSU's Kristian Fulton 2-year ban case
Posted on 7/17/18 at 2:13 pm to DawgsLife
Posted on 7/17/18 at 2:13 pm to DawgsLife
quote:
Joe Mixon was only suspended for a year after trying to knock that girl's head off at a bar.
Nobody "took care of this" because his 1yr wasn't a suspension. They talked about that 1yr suspension and all it turned out to be was that he was redshirted by OU. That is not a suspension.
Posted on 7/17/18 at 2:13 pm to lsufball19
quote:
What kind of incentive does that give players NOT to cheat.
quote:No it wouldn't because if they tamper with the test it is because they know they won't pass it and they would get the 1 year suspension anyway.
the one year suspension
quote:
You think this will actually dissuade people from trying to tamper with a test?
You guys are arguing that the NCAA has ruined his college career....so yes. I think it will disuade some of them You don't? You think they will tamper with the tests knowing if they get caught it could finish them?
quote:
he NFL, where players have a much bigger incentive to try to tamper with a test, only gives out a 6 game suspension for the same conduct. Just food for thought.
If he were playing in the NFL he would be set, then, wouldn't he? but he is playing in the NCAA. Seems he should play by the NCAA rules.
Posted on 7/17/18 at 2:14 pm to lsupride87
quote:
Then anyone who did drugs or steroids has absolutely no motive at all to not tamper with their test
not taking drugs or steroids would be a start. A year suspension isn't exactly a light punishment. Only the NCAA punishes players for that long for a first time offense for a banned substance.
This post was edited on 7/17/18 at 2:14 pm
Posted on 7/17/18 at 2:15 pm to DawgsLife
quote:
No it wouldn't because if they tamper with the test it is because they know they won't pass it and they would get the 1 year suspension anyway.
They definitely dont know if they definitely wont pass or not, especially as people who havent had to do this before. Again, look at Fulton's case, he passed. The deterrent is in place with a 1 year ban either way, the test is monitored. The same message gets across for a 1 year ban which is already very harsh.
I'm certainly sure Fulton feels dumb for tampering with a test he ended up passing anyways.
This post was edited on 7/17/18 at 2:18 pm
Posted on 7/17/18 at 2:16 pm to thunderbird1100
quote:He passed because they didnt test for the drug he used
he passed
![](https://images.tigerdroppings.com/Images/Icons/IconLOL.gif)
Posted on 7/17/18 at 2:17 pm to lsupride87
quote:
He passed because they didnt test for the drug he used
Welcome to several pages ago, the test was for performance enhancing drugs, he wasn't taking any performance enhancing drugs
Posted on 7/17/18 at 2:17 pm to DawgsLife
quote:
No it wouldn't because if they tamper with the test it is because they know they won't pass it and they would get the 1 year suspension anyway.
so what?
quote:
You think they will tamper with the tests knowing if they get caught it could finish them?
yes, I do
quote:
Seems he should play by the NCAA rules.
never said he shouldn't. I'm giving one basis as to why I think the rules in place should be changed, not that the NCAA isn't following their own rules. No need to start building strawmen
This post was edited on 7/17/18 at 2:17 pm
Posted on 7/17/18 at 2:17 pm to lsufball19
I guess the lessons learned are..
*Don't do drugs... yes weed is illegal.
*Don't tamper with your puss sample.
*If you have to do something stupid... just have possession of a stolen firearm, be intoxicated and have drugs in the vehicle.
*Don't do drugs... yes weed is illegal.
*Don't tamper with your puss sample.
*If you have to do something stupid... just have possession of a stolen firearm, be intoxicated and have drugs in the vehicle.
This post was edited on 7/17/18 at 2:20 pm
Posted on 7/17/18 at 2:19 pm to SouthernInsanity
You need a lesson on proof reading.
Posted on 7/17/18 at 2:19 pm to SouthernInsanity
quote:
Nobody "took care of this" because his 1yr wasn't a suspension. They talked about that 1yr suspension and all it turned out to be was that he was redshirted by OU. That is not a suspension.
A player in the NCAA can turn pro when his frshman class is in college for 3 years. Mixon only played at Oklahoma for two years, so it was not a redshirt year...or I guess you can call it a redshirt year if you want to. The LSU player can go pro, too if he wants to.
![](https://images.tigerdroppings.com/Images/Icons/IconLOL.gif)
You are stretching everything out of proportion. Mixon went to court, and Oklahoma suspended him for a year.
Posted on 7/17/18 at 2:19 pm to thunderbird1100
Google the Kolton Houston deal at UGA. Good luck to the kid, ridiculous rulings are the NCAA norm...
Posted on 7/17/18 at 2:21 pm to dallasga6
quote:
Google the Kolton Houston deal at UGA.
yeah, that was bullshite
Posted on 7/17/18 at 2:23 pm to lsufball19
quote:
and if it were a UGA player you would say the rule in unfair....
Nope. We would say he's a fricking idiot for breaking a clearly defined rule that every single NCAA athlete knows about. Doesn't matter what school he attends.
Also, he would have been kicked out of school by Richt and would be at Auburn by now.
I just don't get how anyone can question the penalty. It's pretty cut and dried. If you mess up and are in danger of failing a test, don't cheat. That only makes it worse. It's also a pretty good rule to live by in life in general
Posted on 7/17/18 at 2:23 pm to lsufball19
quote:
so what?
Okay. If you are going in for a drug test and you knwo you will not pass it....the penalty for not passing the drug test is 1 year suspension. The penalty for tampering with the drug test is a one year penalty. what are you going to do? Tamper with the drug test. That is not what the NCAA wants people to do.
![](https://images.tigerdroppings.com/Images/Icons/Iconrolleyes.gif)
quote:Then they deserve what they get. If you can't do the time, don't do the crime.
yes, I do
quote:
Seems he should play by the NCAA rules.
quote:
never said he shouldn't.
Okay. The NCAA rules state he is in for a 2 year suspension. I'm glad we agree.
Posted on 7/17/18 at 2:26 pm to Barstools
quote:
I just don't get how anyone can question the penalty.
Because it's fricking dumb, that's why. This isn't hard to follow here. To have literally half your career taken away by that is pretty ridiculous.
Again though, all this is pretty irrelevant, the case here is there is new evidence and the NCAA is taking a look at that, that's what can get the case overturned.
This post was edited on 7/17/18 at 2:28 pm
Posted on 7/17/18 at 2:26 pm to DawgsLife
quote:
You are stretching everything out of proportion. Mixon went to court, and Oklahoma suspended him for a year.
Yes, he went to court and if you look into that whole deal as that time... it was said many times that OU used the redshirt tag on him that year.
Look do I agree the LSU kid should be suspended, yes. Two years, no. Bu is this was something stupid related to UGA, you of some of your UGA fan friends would be arguing the same shite.
Posted on 7/17/18 at 2:31 pm to thunderbird1100
quote:
Because it's fricking dumb, that's why. This isn't hard to follow here. To have literally half your career taken away by that is pretty ridiculous.
You have literally zero critical thinking skills. I should have said "I just don't get how anyone with a brain can question the penalty."
Posted on 7/17/18 at 2:34 pm to SouthernInsanity
quote:
OU used the redshirt tag on him that year.
How does a red shirt factor in for a player that leaves after 3 years. Does he still have two years of eligibility that Oklahoma gets to use at the end of his pro career? Exactly how did OU benefit from a red shirt?
Posted on 7/17/18 at 2:34 pm to Barstools
quote:
Nope. We would say he's a fricking idiot for breaking a clearly defined rule that every single NCAA athlete knows about.
![](https://images.tigerdroppings.com/Images/Icons/IconLOL.gif)
quote:
I just don't get how anyone can question the penalty. It's pretty cut and dried. If you mess up and are in danger of failing a test, don't cheat. That only makes it worse. It's also a pretty good rule to live by in life in general
again, stop building strawmen. I, nor anyone else, has said the NCAA isn't following their own rules. I, nor anyone else, has said Fulton isn't stupid and shouldn't be punished. I, nor anyone else, has said he wasn't wrong for doing what he did. Try to keep up. Rules are changed all the time. People are arguing, in their opinion, a 2 year suspension is not commensurate with that specific behavior. Of course you are taking the contrarian stance because it does not involve a player from your team. Another poster brought up a former UGA player, Kolton Houston, that was in an unfortunate situation. The NCAA was simply following their own rules, so why was there outrage there? No, I'm not saying it's the same situation. I'm saying the NCAA had a rule, followed it, and people complained the rule was unfair. I just find it hilarious the cavalier stance you're taking as if rules are rules, and rules can never and should never change. You ever take any sort of basic civics class at any point in your life?
![](https://images.tigerdroppings.com/Images/Icons/IconLOL.gif)
This post was edited on 7/17/18 at 2:36 pm
Posted on 7/17/18 at 2:41 pm to DawgsLife
quote:
Okay. If you are going in for a drug test and you knwo you will not pass it....the penalty for not passing the drug test is 1 year suspension. The penalty for tampering with the drug test is a one year penalty. what are you going to do?
I'm going to try to pass regardless of what the penalty is. If I wanted to ensure no penalty I wouldn't take a banned substance to begin with. Do you really think a player who just got off a cycle of steroids that has a drug test the following week isn't going to try to do whatever he can to pass the test? This is the same type of argument where people say that harsh sentencing guidelines are useful as deterrents for crimes, when in fact, research shows that harsher penalties have not lowered those crime rates and all they did was result in more people in jail for longer.
quote:
Okay. The NCAA rules state he is in for a 2 year suspension. I'm glad we agree.
Oh, so this is how we're going to do this...glad I know I'm talking to someone without the ability to present rational arguments or even know what he's arguing
![](https://images.tigerdroppings.com/Images/Icons/Iconrolleyes.gif)
This post was edited on 7/17/18 at 2:42 pm
Back to top
![logo](https://images.tigerdroppings.com/images/layout/SR_Icon.jpg)