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re: NCAA IS re-opening LSU's Kristian Fulton 2-year ban case
Posted on 7/17/18 at 1:48 pm to LSU Patrick
Posted on 7/17/18 at 1:48 pm to LSU Patrick
quote:Most of those other players didnt break a clear defined ncaa rule that has a clearly defined penalty
Well, no shite. My point was that he should try to fight it, because lots of other players have gotten away with or received lesser penalties for worse.
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Posted on 7/17/18 at 1:48 pm to thunderbird1100
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He passed the test with the re-test. They discarded the accused tampered test and he passed the re-test.
Dude doesn't even want to learn the facts.
Posted on 7/17/18 at 1:49 pm to LSU Patrick
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received lesser penalties for worse.
Problem is, everybody has a different opinion as to what "worse" means. In your opinion, what is worse than tampering with a drug test given by the NCAA, that other players have gotten away with?
Posted on 7/17/18 at 1:50 pm to lsupride87
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Most of those other players didnt break a clear defined ncaa rule that has a clearly defined penalty
I understand that, but should he just accept the 2 years and not try and get his penalty lessened?
Posted on 7/17/18 at 1:50 pm to Barstools
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The fact that he subsequently passed the test means nothing. He though he was going to fail and tried to cover that up. He's a dumb arse.
He thought the test was testing for everything, but it was just PEDs, that's what made him freak out. He ended up passing anyways. That definitely is what kind of makes it ridiculous to give him 2 years. Either way a 2 year suspension should never be handed down to an NCAA athlete, it just completely ruins their entire career, a 1 year suspension should be the max, the point gets across just as equally.
The true crime here is this being literally the only way to get a 2 year ban by the NCAA, despite there being much more serious things players do, especially when you compare a kid who allegedly tampered with a test, he ended up actually passing.
Posted on 7/17/18 at 1:50 pm to LSU Patrick
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Dude doesn't even want to learn the facts.
And you are burying your head in the sand. Why did he tamper with the test, if he thought he was going to pass it?
I mean, I get why you guys feel this way. But use some common sense!
Posted on 7/17/18 at 1:51 pm to DawgsLife
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Problem is, everybody has a different opinion as to what "worse" means. In your opinion, what is worse than tampering with a drug test given by the NCAA, that other players have gotten away with?
Rape, domestic violence, theft, drug sales, weapons violations for starters.
Posted on 7/17/18 at 1:52 pm to LSU Patrick
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I understand that, but should he just accept the 2 years and not try and get his penalty lessened?
I would never blame anybody for trying to get it reduced. that's common sense.
Posted on 7/17/18 at 1:52 pm to LSU Patrick
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Rape, domestic violence, theft, drug sales, weapons violations for starters.
Who got away with those?
Posted on 7/17/18 at 1:53 pm to DawgsLife
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And you are burying your head in the sand. Why did he tamper with the test, if he thought he was going to pass it?
For the 2nd time: Because he thought it was testing for every drug, not just PEDs, it was just testing for PEDs, which he was fine for. He thought he might fail because he smoked some weed not long before it.
Also, I think a point you're missing here is there new evidence being presented in the case, which is the only reason why the NCAA is considering re-opening it, we dont know what that new evidence is yet. It's not like the NCAA is reopening the case just because they feel bad he's been the only one to get the 2 year ban.
This post was edited on 7/17/18 at 1:54 pm
Posted on 7/17/18 at 1:53 pm to LSU Patrick
quote:Absolutely not
but should he just accept the 2 years and not try and get his penalty lessened?
But dont expect sympathy either from others
Posted on 7/17/18 at 1:53 pm to Barstools
I didn't say he was right. Yes, tampering with a test should be considered a failed test. But in this case, did not they actually test the sample? Not that it matters... but just wondering.
I think a lot of posters woul have a difference of opinion if it was a player on their team.
I think next time kids think that tampering with their puss samples is a good idea... they should just get some liquor, weed and driving around with a bama football shirt on. Surely that's less of a suspension.
I think a lot of posters woul have a difference of opinion if it was a player on their team.
I think next time kids think that tampering with their puss samples is a good idea... they should just get some liquor, weed and driving around with a bama football shirt on. Surely that's less of a suspension.
Posted on 7/17/18 at 1:53 pm to thunderbird1100
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He thought the test was testing for everything, but it was just PEDs, that's what made him freak out.
Oh, well in that case let him play! He only cheated the system because he thought he would be tested for everything. If he had known he wasn't being drug tested he wouldn't have cheated.
You sir are an idiot.
Posted on 7/17/18 at 1:53 pm to thunderbird1100
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He thought the test was testing for everything, but it was just PEDs, that's what made him freak out. He ended up passing anyways. That definitely is what kind of makes it ridiculous to give him 2 years.
Not really. It sounds as if they didn't pop him for not passing a test. They popped him for tampering with the test. Which he is apparently guilty of.
Posted on 7/17/18 at 1:55 pm to DawgsLife
There are several examples. I'll just mention one recent one. Joe Mixon was only suspended for a year after trying to knock that girl's head off at a bar.
Posted on 7/17/18 at 1:55 pm to JCinBAMA
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he landed at Alabama by way of Mississippi Gulf Coast Community College.
Should have sat out with Fulton regardless of where he landed after.
It would be a fitting end for him to end up a bust or run into more drug problems from the manner he handled it.
Posted on 7/17/18 at 1:55 pm to SouthernInsanity
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I didn't say he was right. Yes, tampering with a test should be considered a failed test.
Use common sense. If it only counted as a failed test, then every kid that knew he would not pass the test would try to cheat...and possibly get away with it. The reason the penalty is so harsh is because they want to discourage people from tampering with the test.
If they knew they would fail, then what would they have to lose by tampering with the test if it only counted as a failed test?
Posted on 7/17/18 at 1:57 pm to LSU Patrick
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Joe Mixon was only suspended for a year after trying to knock that girl's head off at a bar.
After she hit him three times in the face. Not defending him for hitting a girl but do you really not see the difference? He was also suspended a year and went to court for it. Hardly getting away with it.
This post was edited on 7/17/18 at 1:59 pm
Posted on 7/17/18 at 1:57 pm to DawgsLife
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Not really. It sounds as if they didn't pop him for not passing a test. They popped him for tampering with the test. Which he is apparently guilty of.
A test which he still passed. A 1 year suspension either way is more than enough, it gets the same point across. 2 year suspension is just ridiculous, especially when you consider he played essentially mop up minutes his freshman year, and by rule cant redshirt while sitting out, so effectively he gets 1 year to really play if he serves out the full suspension.
Dont get me wrong, he absolutely should be suspended for a year, what he did was dumb, but all things considered, a 2 year ban here is just ridiculous, not even know what the new evidence is that could make him eligible immediately. The new evidence is maybe around how they deemed he definitely tampered with the test itself leading to the 2-year suspension.
This post was edited on 7/17/18 at 1:59 pm
Posted on 7/17/18 at 1:57 pm to LSU Patrick
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There are several examples. I'll just mention one recent one. Joe Mixon was only suspended for a year after trying to knock that girl's head off at a bar.
I thought you said they got away with it? Doesn't sound like he got away with it. He was suspended for a year.
Charges should have been brought against him, but I am guessing the girl declined to press charges. (I can't remember how that worked) But he certainly did not get away with it.
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