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re: NCAA IS re-opening LSU's Kristian Fulton 2-year ban case
Posted on 7/17/18 at 1:58 pm to Barstools
Posted on 7/17/18 at 1:58 pm to Barstools
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Not really. The penalty for one failed test for PEDs is one year. If tampering with the test isn't more severe than the failed test itself, players would have no reason not to tamper with the test. The penalty is to deter players from trying to cheat the system.
eh, I think tampering should come with the same suspension length as a failed test. Just like a false negative on a test for a diluted sample can come with the same penalty as if you failed because it shows you were trying to mislead the testing lab.
The bottom line is, the NCAA is following the rules. the rules state a 2 year suspension comes with tampering. Fulton is a moron. However, the thing some are taking issue with is the NCAA's rule may need to be amended. There are things worse than this IMO and I can't think of any that come with a suspension this long outside being ruled ineligible as an amateur athlete.
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Posted on 7/17/18 at 1:59 pm to thunderbird1100
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A test which he still passed.
Again. He tampered with the test. You keep trying to twist it that the test itself had something to do with it. It did not. They popped him for TAMPERING with the test.
quote:True. Maybe the next time a player decides to tamper with a test they will remember this. But the fact he only played mop up minutes his freshman year has nothing to do with it.
and by rule cant redshirt while sitting out, so effectively he gets 1 year to really play if he serves out the full suspension.
Posted on 7/17/18 at 2:00 pm to DawgsLife
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If he were innocent why in the world would he tamper with the test? Just to see if he could get away with it?
My honest opinion, Fulton thought they were testing for drugs too, which doesn't make him any less stupid.
Posted on 7/17/18 at 2:00 pm to DawgsLife
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I thought you said they got away with it? Doesn't sound like he got away with it. He was suspended for a year.
He suspended by Oklahoma, not by the NCAA.
Posted on 7/17/18 at 2:01 pm to texag7
sure, like bama is perfect, lol
Posted on 7/17/18 at 2:01 pm to thunderbird1100
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A test which he still passed. A 1 year suspension either way is more than enough,
No, one year is not enough. Use your brain for one second. If you fail a PED test the sentence is one year. If you tamper with the test, it's also one year. What kind of incentive does that give players NOT to cheat. Either way it's one year, might as well try to tamper with the test. It won't get any worse.
This post was edited on 7/17/18 at 2:03 pm
Posted on 7/17/18 at 2:02 pm to lsufball19
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eh, I think tampering should come with the same suspension length as a failed test.
As the poster said.....then every player that knew he would fail the test would attempt to tamper with it. Why wouldn't they? They would have nothing to lose. They are lucky they don't get banned from college football altogether.
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The bottom line is, the NCAA is following the rules. the rules state a 2 year suspension comes with tampering. Fulton is a moron. However, the thing some are taking issue with is the NCAA's rule may need to be amended. There are things worse than this IMO and I can't think of any that come with a suspension this long outside being ruled ineligible as an amateur athlete.
I understand your feelings. But if it were an Alabama player you guys would be screaming for a Life Sentence without parole.
Posted on 7/17/18 at 2:02 pm to Barstools
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No, one year is not enough. Use your brain for one second. If you fail a PED test the sentence is one year. If you tamper with the test, it's also one year. What kind of incentive does that give ayers NOT to cheat. Either way it's one year, might as well try to tamper with the test. It won't get any worse.
Only if you pass the re-test dumbfrick.
Posted on 7/17/18 at 2:03 pm to lsufball19
quote:That would be a terrible idea
eh, I think tampering should come with the same suspension length as a failed test.
Then anyone who did drugs or steroids has absolutely no motive at all to not tamper with their test
Posted on 7/17/18 at 2:03 pm to thunderbird1100
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He suspended by Oklahoma, not by the NCAA.
And? Did he get away with it? The NCAA does not have a rule for that, right? So the school took care of it.
Posted on 7/17/18 at 2:04 pm to DawgsLife
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True. Maybe the next time a player decides to tamper with a test they will remember this. But the fact he only played mop up minutes his freshman year has nothing to do with it.
Meanwhile people can assault other people and spend much less time in the sin bin, in fact, the NCAA doesnt even step in to take control of that at all, makes total sense!
It's a ridiculous penalty, defending it just isn't smart. It's ruining an entire kid's college career almost for a dumb mistake made when he was 18/19 and it's not like he beat someone into a pulp, or had illegal guns and drugs on him. He freaked because he thought he wouldn't pass an NCAA drug test because of some weed he smoked previously which in the end was just testing for PEDS which he passed anyways. Give him the year suspension and move on, 2 years is way overdoing it.
Posted on 7/17/18 at 2:05 pm to SouthernInsanity
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I think a lot of posters woul have a difference of opinion if it was a player on their team.
Of course they would!
But the only way you can get a fair opinion is to not have a dog in the fight. You guys are too close to the situation.
Posted on 7/17/18 at 2:06 pm to Barstools
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No, one year is not enough. Use your brain for one second. If you fail a PED test the sentence is one year. If you tamper with the test, it's also one year. What kind of incentive does that give players NOT to cheat. Either way it's one year, might as well try to tamper with the test. It won't get any worse.
They are there to monitor the test itself. It should be a year either way if caught or failed. 2 years is taking someone's college career away almost. The same message gets across and 1 year doesn't completely ruin your career.
This post was edited on 7/17/18 at 2:07 pm
Posted on 7/17/18 at 2:06 pm to thunderbird1100
This isn’t about him, it is about every other athlete now and in the future. There is a sad individual tale behind every failed test, but substituting a sample is openly defying a well defined rule that is intended to keep ALL athletes in line. He wasn’t singled out...he knowingly defied the rule and unless you want every future suspension to be challenged on precedent grounds, the suspension should be served. It isn’t about him as an individual at all.
Posted on 7/17/18 at 2:07 pm to DawgsLife
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And? Did he get away with it? The NCAA does not have a rule for that, right? So the school took care of it.
So you see nothing ridiculous in the fact a PED test someone passes but allegedly tampered with gets a 2 year NCAA suspension, yet you can commit felonies severely injuring or putting others in harm's way and the NCAA could care less.
Posted on 7/17/18 at 2:08 pm to Barstools
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What kind of incentive does that give players NOT to cheat.
the one year suspension
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Either way it's one year, might as well try to tamper with the test. It won't get any worse.
You think this will actually dissuade people from trying to tamper with a test? The problem is deterring taking a banned substance in the first place, not trying to tamper with it or get away with it. I can assure you people have and will continue to do whatever they can to get away with taking banned substances. Fulton got caught trying to hide whatever was in his system. The NFL, where players have a much bigger incentive to try to tamper with a test, only gives out a 6 game suspension for the same conduct. Just food for thought.
A 2 year suspension can essentially ruin a kids life before it even starts. Personally, I don't feel like tampering with a drug test is the type of behavior that should give rise to that severe of a consequence. Have a feeling if the player was on your team you may have a different opinion. But to each his own.
This post was edited on 7/17/18 at 2:11 pm
Posted on 7/17/18 at 2:09 pm to thunderbird1100
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Meanwhile people can assault other people and spend much less time in the sin bin, in fact, the NCAA doesnt even step in to take control of that at all, makes total sense!
The NCAA administers the test, that is why they got involved with this.
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It's a ridiculous penalty, defending it just isn't smart. It's ruining an entire kid's college career almost for a dumb mistake made when he was 18/19 and it's not like he beat someone into a pulp, or had illegal guns and drugs on him.
There are 18 and 19 year old kids serving life in prison for the dumb mistakes they made. You don't give kids a free pass just because they are 18 and 19 years old. Kids want to be able to get drunk and take drugs because they are so responsible they would never drive that way, but they can't pee in a cup with integrity.
Is his college career ruined? maybe. I don't know. but maybe it will save his life one day when he has other important decisions to make.
Posted on 7/17/18 at 2:10 pm to DawgsLife
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There are 18 and 19 year old kids serving life in prison for the dumb mistakes they made
Yeah, because they murdered someone, not because they freaked out over some weed maybe showing up on a drug test, which turned out to be for PEDs and they passed anyways. Let's not go too far off the rails here.
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Is his college career ruined? maybe. I don't know. but maybe it will save his life one day when he has other important decisions to make.
This is just stupid, a 1 year ban is plenty in this case, end of story. As someone else mentioned, in the NFL you dont even get half a season suspension. In the NCAA it's essentially a 12+ game suspension. The NCAA already has the much harsher policy in place. To essentially almost ruin a kids college career over this seems overly harsh.
This post was edited on 7/17/18 at 2:13 pm
Posted on 7/17/18 at 2:11 pm to Barstools
quote:are you too blind to see how those are not the same?
The point is he thought he was going to and tried to cover it up. Subsequently passing the test means nothing.
That's like saying, well I only robbed the bank because I thought I needed the money. Turns out I won the lottery the next day so now I'm returning the money.
Posted on 7/17/18 at 2:12 pm to DawgsLife
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.then every player that knew he would fail the test would attempt to tamper with it.
quite a leap you're taking.
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But if it were an Alabama player you guys would be screaming for a Life Sentence without parole.
and if it were a UGA player you would say the rule in unfair....
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