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re: Nate Oats and Eric Musselman on the first Indiana hot board to replace Archie Miller
Posted on 3/16/21 at 9:25 pm to V Bainbridge
Posted on 3/16/21 at 9:25 pm to V Bainbridge
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This is the difference in views. You are viewing it through the eye of football success. We are seeing it through CBB success.
Ok, dude.
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Posted on 3/16/21 at 9:26 pm to V Bainbridge
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This is the difference in views. You are viewing it through the eye of football success. We are seeing it through CBB success. It's a false comparison. They aren't the same. Conference titles are a much bigger deal in football but postseason play pretty much means nothing unless you are one of the 4 in the playoffs.
No, not really. I'm viewing it through the prism of we've been to 3 NCAA Tournaments in 15 years and been past the 1st weekend 1 time in the last 25 years.
It's sad, it sucks, I want it to change this year, but I'm not gonna call it all a failure. It's just a different perspective. You guys have tasted a lot of success, albeit it a while ago. Most of us weren't alive for Wimp going to the S16 every year in the 1980s. We've seen one trip out of the 1st weekend since we were babies.
So, to stay sane, we have to adjust expectations. As I said, if he fails to advance by year 3 or 4 we'll feel a different way (much like with Gottfried). But not in year 2.
This post was edited on 3/16/21 at 9:28 pm
Posted on 3/16/21 at 9:27 pm to Chadaristic
Y’all have had a stellar season and could fairly easily make the final four
But he does have a point imo
FTR I made the same exact argument to Auburn posters in 2019 so congrats
But he does have a point imo
FTR I made the same exact argument to Auburn posters in 2019 so congrats
This post was edited on 3/16/21 at 9:28 pm
Posted on 3/16/21 at 9:30 pm to Sun God
We're just not a demanding basketball fan base. We want consistent, hard play and to be in the NCAAT most years.
Get there for years in a row and never do anything? Yes, that will start to get irritating. But the baseline expectation here ain't Sweet 16 or bust. Hell, we've only advanced past the Sweet 16 one time. EVER.
Football is a fvckin grind. Expectation levels are insane. Basketball just give me a shot in March with a solid roster and dudes who want to get after it and I'm happy.
Get there for years in a row and never do anything? Yes, that will start to get irritating. But the baseline expectation here ain't Sweet 16 or bust. Hell, we've only advanced past the Sweet 16 one time. EVER.
Football is a fvckin grind. Expectation levels are insane. Basketball just give me a shot in March with a solid roster and dudes who want to get after it and I'm happy.
This post was edited on 3/16/21 at 9:31 pm
Posted on 3/16/21 at 9:31 pm to SummerOfGeorge
I've wasted too much time trying to prove shite that I don't even believe will happen in this thread.
I think both our teams make it to the second weekend. I feel like you guys have an excellent chance to make the Final Four.
Will make a fun offseason discussion.
I think both our teams make it to the second weekend. I feel like you guys have an excellent chance to make the Final Four.
Will make a fun offseason discussion.
Posted on 3/16/21 at 9:32 pm to V Bainbridge
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I'll check back and see if Bama fans have the same feeling of success if UCONN knocks you off and LSU makes it to the second weekend by beating an undermanned Michigan team.
Not gonna be disappointed at all and will be really excited about next year where we return pretty much our whole team and add a 5* PG, the #2 JUCO player in America, and Probably a 5* C.
And we are also getting our top recruit from this past year, Alex Tchikou, back from injury.
The future is bright at Bama
Posted on 3/16/21 at 9:33 pm to SummerOfGeorge
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You guys have tasted a lot of success, albeit it a while ago.
I mean the guy is preaching to us like Arkansas has made a bunch of deep runs lately.
Last 20 years:
NCAAT = equal
Round of 32 = +1 Alabama
Sweet 16 = +1 Alabama
Elite 8 = +1 Alabama
Final 4 = equal
Sorry bud, I know how the NCAAT works. Don't need you to explain it to me or tell me how I am supposed to feel about it.
Posted on 3/16/21 at 9:34 pm to V Bainbridge
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I've wasted too much time trying to prove shite that I don't even believe will happen in this thread.
I think both our teams make it to the second weekend. I feel like you guys have an excellent chance to make the Final Four.
Will make a fun offseason discussion.
LOL, I feel ya man. Hopefully none of us have to worry about it. I'd be lying if I said that I (and I'm guessing others will agree) don't feel a bit of old Alabama ghosts tugging at us. This team has broken all the recent Bama barriers of collapses and stuff, but Alabama NCAAT ghosts are much older than Grant and Avery. They've been around since Wimp and CM. Only the most random NCAAT run to the Elite 8 in 2004 has really had a year where we had outright "success" in the NCAAT.
Hard to be confident when every situation like this in our past has ended poorly. But hey, gotta kick the door down sometime.
This post was edited on 3/16/21 at 9:36 pm
Posted on 3/16/21 at 9:36 pm to SummerOfGeorge
Well said
Posted on 3/16/21 at 9:37 pm to Sun God
If we lose to Iona I will definitely melt and call this season a failure
WANT TO MAKE THAT CLEAR
WANT TO MAKE THAT CLEAR
This post was edited on 3/16/21 at 9:38 pm
Posted on 3/16/21 at 9:38 pm to SummerOfGeorge
At least Iona has a shitty coach
Posted on 3/16/21 at 9:40 pm to Sun God
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At least Iona has a shitty coach
If this was a Mark Gottfried team I'd absolutely be expecting a shite show performance by us and a close win or possible loss to Slick Rick and his band of Northeastern prep schoolers.
Posted on 3/16/21 at 9:50 pm to Stonehog
That's right. If we lose against Colgate then we can piss away whatever accomplishments we had in the regular season. It was all for nothing. Everything is dead in the water and momentum gets stalled. We need to get to at least the sweet sixteen for our top 10 finish to be worth a damn.
Posted on 3/16/21 at 10:21 pm to KellerChrystFan
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This is just stupidity. This isn’t football. You don’t need to recruit 50+ studs. Recruiting is not and will never be an issue for Indiana. It’s not a problem for Tennessee either.
Nebraska football? Sure.
I respect you Grievous but Keller is right and you're way off here. Alabama basketball is a very respectable Top 40ish to 50ish program historically. Indiana basketball is AT WORST maybe the 10th to 12th ranked program of all time. There's simply no comparison here.
Someone said it well here earlier comparing Indiana basketball to Nebraska football from a historical prestige perspective. The main difference between those two programs in Indiana basketball's favor in my humble opinion is that they are a great head coaching hire who can change the current culture of the program away from quickly becoming one of the elite programs in the country again. Nebraska football can be really good again but unlike Indiana basketball they are dealing with an identity crisis as a program since leaving the Big 12 and as a result have lost some of their pre-Big 10 recruiting grounds since.
I don't think Oates (or Mussleman for that matter) leaves for the Indiana job but not because I think Indiana isn't a far more prestigious program and job than Alabama. I think Oates and his family are happy at Alabama and won't leave until a blue blood job even better than Indiana or an NBA team comes calling. Just my opinion.
Posted on 3/16/21 at 10:24 pm to Govt Tide
Yea - Indiana is a very good job at a place with money and tons of talent in the state and region, plus the name that still can win battles nationally with the right guy selling it. They haven't been great in a while, but they have everything in place to be very good immediately.
The flip side is money conferences like the SEC have made it much easier for lots of schools to compete in basketball at places where you can both tap rabid fanbases but also not deal with insane expectations. And because there are so many good coaches here now, the league is deep enough to ensure you have a chance to have a good year and get good tournament seeds.
A great coach doesn't HAVE to go to one of 13 schools to win big in basketball like you might have to in football.
The flip side is money conferences like the SEC have made it much easier for lots of schools to compete in basketball at places where you can both tap rabid fanbases but also not deal with insane expectations. And because there are so many good coaches here now, the league is deep enough to ensure you have a chance to have a good year and get good tournament seeds.
A great coach doesn't HAVE to go to one of 13 schools to win big in basketball like you might have to in football.
This post was edited on 3/16/21 at 10:28 pm
Posted on 3/16/21 at 10:48 pm to SummerOfGeorge
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The flip side is money conferences like the SEC have made it much easier for lots of schools to compete in basketball at places where you can both tap rabid fanbases but also not deal with insane expectations. A great coach doesn't HAVE to go to one of 13 schools to win big in basketball like you might have to in football.
Very well said.
Posted on 3/16/21 at 10:59 pm to Chadaristic
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That may be how you and everyone else remembers it, but that is definitely not how I will remember this season if we get bounced in the second round.
That’s what I was referring to, general perception. Not you personally. If y’all get bounced in the first weekend that’s all people will remember, a good team that failed to win anything in the tournament. A sweet 16 is a bigger deal than a conference championship in basketball.
A conference championship in football is a huge deal, you can tout yourselves as champs. Do that in basketball while flopping in the tournament and you’ll sound ridiculous. “We won the conference tournament!” Yeah and then you fricked up everyone’s bracket and they hate you now.
Posted on 3/16/21 at 11:34 pm to Stonehog
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A conference championship in football is a huge deal, you can tout yourselves as champs. Do that in basketball while flopping in the tournament and you’ll sound ridiculous. “We won the conference tournament!” Yeah and then you fricked up everyone’s bracket and they hate you now.
Not trying to be obtuse but why is winning a conference championship in football a "huge deal" but winning one in basketball isn't and what does the post season have to do with anything?
A regular season championship in either sport is a very big deal unless maybe you're a Kentucky basketball fan or an Alabama football fan in the Saban era. Outside those two incredibly spoiled fanbases a regular season SEC conference championship in both sports is a very big deal.
I get the general public places a huge emphasis on the NCAA tournament in college basketball but that doesn't diminish the accomplishment of winning a regular season conference championship in basketball especially when Kentucky and to a lesser extent Florida have dominated the league the last 15 to 20 years and even longer than that in Kentucky's case. Winning an SEC championship in basketball over Kentucky and Florida the last 15 to 20 years is just as difficult and impressive as winning an SEC championship in football over Alabama in the Saban era.
Posted on 3/16/21 at 11:49 pm to Govt Tide
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Not trying to be obtuse but why is winning a conference championship in football a "huge deal" but winning one in basketball isn't and what does the post season have to do with anything?
Since success in basketball is based on the tournament, it diminishes something like a conference championship if you have a first weekend flop. How you do in the tournament is all people remember or care about.
In 2017, Virginia won more ACC games than any team in history. They won the conference, the ACC tournament, and they were the #1 overall seed in the NCAA tournament. And the ONLY thing anyone will ever remember about that team is how they lost to a 16 seed. None of their other accomplishments mattered.
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I get the general public places a huge emphasis on the NCAA tournament in college basketball but that doesn't diminish the accomplishment of winning a regular season conference championship in basketball
That’s exactly what it does. And with so much emphasis on the tournament, how you finished in your conference during the regular season doesn’t have much bearing on your success. A team can finish third or fourth in their conference and win the national championship. That doesn’t happen in football.
This post was edited on 3/16/21 at 11:56 pm
Posted on 3/17/21 at 12:40 am to Stonehog
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conference championship in football is a huge deal, you can tout yourselves as champs
Not anymore, but I can understand being an Arkansas fan that would be a huge deal. Like being champions of the sec is a big deal to Bama fans regardless of what happens in the tournament. frick everybody else’s “perspective”
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